The Beatles — Come Together/Dear Prudence/Cry Baby Cry
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Hey, I know! Let's put Groucho glasses on the Mona Lisa next! Yeah, dig it!!!
This is an unholy fiasco that triggers my gag reflex. Please, George Martin, no more!!!
Chumbawamba-1984 wrote:
The explanation is in a simple word: COPYRIGHT. The album went out just before most of the songs turned public. This simple commercial trick renewed the rights and royalties for another 20 years or so. It was worth spending days remixing the whole stuff in studio.
Wizzuvv_oz wrote:interesting
And also, as far as I can tell, wrong:
1. The first Beatles recordings do not go out of copyright in the UK until 2012 or 2013 (depending on who you ask, it looks like).
2. The "Love" album does not include any of the music from "Please Please Me", the Beatles' first record in 1963 (and we may presume the first one that will go out of copyright).
3. Producing a new record with remixed and remastered work from earlier albums does not affect the copyright status of the original work. The new record's copyright period begins in 2006, but the original records will still fall out of copyright in five years or so (unless Apple Records bullies Parliament into extending U.K. copyright law, which seems entirely possible).
Chumbawamba-1984 wrote:
The explanation is in a simple word: COPYRIGHT. The album went out just before most of the songs turned public. This simple commercial trick renewed the rights and royalties for another 20 years or so. It was worth spending days remixing the whole stuff in studio.
Yes, but the sound quality and clarity of this album is fantastic. Plus, the way in which the songs are put together make them come alive in a whole new way, in my humble opinion. I thought the same thing initially, but I'm very pleased with this album.
shakitten wrote:
I don't like the creepy remixes off this album. I like the straight originals...all the mixes sound distorted and cheezy.
I guess you had to be there, but these mixes are actually digitally remastered from the original recordings by the Beatles' original producer (and his son)for the Cirque d'Soleil (sp?) show in Las Vegas at La Mirage. The show is awesome--with surround sound speaker i the seat and not a bad vantage point in the house. Even Paul and Ringo say they can't believe how much better the sound is on these new releases-- given the more advanced technology. And these tracks were all made with total permission by the widows and the living members of the band.
Maybe you need a new set of headphones...
the majority of votes are 9 or 10. Personally I just don't see the need for this project at all.
But I guess there are people who don't care for swiming, cycling or running but they like triathlons. Give me the originals. I'd rather hear two Beatles songs in a row than this.
coffee-eyes wrote:
It gets a 5 because I'm not liking the mix so much. Eh. Happier with the original versions.
And for me, a four for the same reason
shakitten wrote:
I don't like the creepy remixes off this album. I like the straight originals...all the mixes sound distorted and cheezy.
I so agree with this. creepy is the right word all around.
Chumbawamba-1984 wrote:
The explanation is in a simple word: COPYRIGHT. The album went out just before most of the songs turned public. This simple commercial trick renewed the rights and royalties for another 20 years or so. It was worth spending days remixing the whole stuff in studio.
interesting
eastcoast wrote:
WHy not mess the songs, how else can we milk the fans for more money!
The explanation is in a simple word: COPYRIGHT. The album went out just before most of the songs turned public. This simple commercial trick renewed the rights and royalties for another 20 years or so. It was worth spending days remixing the whole stuff in studio.
shakitten wrote:
I don't like the creepy remixes off this album. I like the straight originals...all the mixes sound distorted and cheezy.
Agreed.
Makes me feel like time travel is possible
coffee-eyes wrote:
It gets a 5 because I'm not liking the mix so much. Eh. Happier with the original versions.
Ditto! I love The Beatles...grew up with The Beatles...Meet the Beatles was the very first LP I ever bought. But, these compilations leave me cold. They are pure commercialization and do nothing to enhence the original recordings. A CD that never should have been made.
It gets a 5 because I'm not liking the mix so much. Eh. Happier with the original versions.
The Brits overshadowed American R&R a long time ago. The Beatles broke the ice and their successors have hailed ever since. I have listened to this 10,000 times in my lifetime, I guess. If it still sounds this good it must be close to God.
That earns a 7.
I don't like the creepy remixes off this album. I like the straight originals...all the mixes sound distorted and cheezy.
Oh, thank God... it's the real one.
The local radio stations keep playing "the other" version of this song by Aerosmith. Nothing against Aerosmith or anything, but they really botched it.
After this I'm going to try a stage production of MacHamlet's Summers Nights Dream.
This sucks.
sans wrote:
ontopic:
I'll mention this definitely too often: perfect music from a perfect band.
nothing less than a sharp 10!
Mr.Martin?
LOL.
thanks for this one.
ontopic:
I'll mention this definitely too often: perfect music from a perfect band.
nothing less than a sharp 10!
Not only does this not work, it prompts me to dislike the originals more and more.
My 2 cents: This sounds gimmiky and oddly commercial. I keep expecting a credit card company logo to appear in front of trapeze artists in spandex - male ones in unitards, which is an image I can do without, thank you very much. I like the idea of hearing Beatles tunes in a fresh light, but this just aint werkin' fer me.
come together, please!
bokey wrote:
Uh huh? Wha?? Ummm - aha-HAHAHA!!!!!Looney toons!!!Whoop-whoop,cashews and brazil nuts,filberts and macadamias.George Martin damaged The Beatles -Woohoo!! Screwed then up bad! If it wasn't for him they would have been REALLY good.Woohoo.
Re the comment by oz.: Point well taken. All analogies/similes/metaphores are imperfect, and my description certainly had more than a whiff of that. We can remove the deification tone with this one: IMO, mashing two songs (especially really good ones like these two by the Beatles) seems like mashing Van Gogh's "Red Vineyard" together with "Starry Night". Then the Cirque du soleil stuff is like sticking an ad for TGI Fridays in the corner.
Wizzuvv_oz wrote:
John Lennon is no doubt turning over in his grave.
John Lennon wouldn't give a rats ass except for his amusement over people deifying a particular mix over another.
I wish Bill would not play this, if only out of principle. A mash up of the Beatles is sort of blasphemous, in a way. 
leathepea wrote:
Hands down the best Beatles album ever released! If you don't have this one, and you are a Beatles fan, you must run, don't walk to the store and buy it.
Mr.Martin?
WHy not mess the songs, how else can we milk the fans for more money!
I agree with most of the criticisms of this album. I don't see the 'why' of it. Sorry. Just makes me reach for the originals.
ObeliskToucher wrote:
Rated it a "1" due to the Cirque du Soliel-ism at the end... I'd give the same rating if a producer mixed in a Buddy Rich solo at the end of a Toscanini recording of Beethoven's Ninth.
Some things should *not* be messed with...
Hilarious that Cirque forced you to give it a "1". Makes The Beatles so very Celine Dion-ish, doesn't it? And that makes me cry baby cry
Barman wrote:
The two simply DON'T come together.
Agreed and like the others on this CD I can see no reason why it was even attempted.
Hands down the best Beatles album ever released! If you don't have this one, and you are a Beatles fan, you must run, don't walk to the store and buy it.
Love the transition out of "Come Together" in this version.
Wow! What a segue! 
If you like the strings in Eleanor Rigby, I can't imagine how you couldn't like the strings in the new version of "While My Guitar Gently Weeps."
Best thing on the new record, if you ask me, and yes, that is saying something.
spacedad wrote: 
So it's a demo. That still doesn't disprove that is not better than that overblown dirge on the White Album. I'm also not saying George Martin wasn't a brilliant musician. His string quartet in Eleanor Rigby is one of my favorite pieces and probably prepped me for Beethoven's later string quartets, which are the work of pure genius, like a lot of the Beatles' works, except for maybe, "Why don't we do it in the road?"
So it's a demo. That still doesn't disprove that is not better than that overblown dirge on the White Album. I'm also not saying George Martin wasn't a brilliant musician. His string quartet in Eleanor Rigby is one of my favorite pieces and probably prepped me for Beethoven's later string quartets, which are the work of pure genius, like a lot of the Beatles' works, except for maybe, "Why don't we do it in the road?"
spacedad wrote:
So it's a demo. That still doesn't disprove that is not better than that overblown dirge on the White Album. I'm also not saying George Martin wasn't a brilliant musician. His string quartet in Eleanor Rigby is one of my favorite pieces and probably prepped me for Beethoven's later string quartets, which are the work of pure genius, like a lot of the Beatles' works, except for maybe, "Why don't we do it in the road?"
Ha ha ha ha, that "Why Don't We Do It In the Road" piece of shit was the worst song the Beatles ever did.
So it's a demo. That still doesn't disprove that is not better than that overblown dirge on the White Album. I'm also not saying George Martin wasn't a brilliant musician. His string quartet in Eleanor Rigby is one of my favorite pieces and probably prepped me for Beethoven's later string quartets, which are the work of pure genius, like a lot of the Beatles' works, except for maybe, "Why don't we do it in the road?"
So it's a demo. That still doesn't disprove that is not better than that overblown dirge on the White Album. I'm also not saying George Martin wasn't a brilliant musician. His string quartet in Eleanor Rigby is one of my favorite pieces and probably prepped me for Beethoven's later string quartets, which are the work of pure genius, like a lot of the Beatles' works, except for maybe, "Why don't we do it in the road?"
TJOpootertoot wrote:
Riiiight - except that's not a pared down version. It's a demo take - never intended for release.
It's just George and a guitar on that one so the guys who created the version you so hate are named Lennon, McCartney, Starr and, um, Clapton.
This will break your heart, spacedad.
The entirety of the pure demo you so love can be heard on Anthology 3.
The orchestra was added for the LOVE version.
Who did the orchestra? A guy named George Martin.
Damage, indeed.
TJ
spacedad wrote: 
What it shows me though, is how much damage George Martin did to them. For example, I always hated "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" until I heard the really pared down version of it with just George and the orchestra. His voice is purer on that track than any time I've ever heard. Gave me chills.
Riiiight - except that's not a pared down version. It's a demo take - never intended for release.
It's just George and a guitar on that one so the guys who created the version you so hate are named Lennon, McCartney, Starr and, um, Clapton.
This will break your heart, spacedad.
The entirety of the pure demo you so love can be heard on Anthology 3.
The orchestra was added for the LOVE version.
Who did the orchestra? A guy named George Martin.
Damage, indeed.
TJ
What it shows me though, is how much damage George Martin did to them. For example, I always hated "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" until I heard the really pared down version of it with just George and the orchestra. His voice is purer on that track than any time I've ever heard. Gave me chills.
The more I listen to to this album, the more it irks me, except for a few songs. The album was really mashed up by George Martin's son and the remaining Beatles (Poor Paul, worried about his alimony & Tone Deaf Ringo) OK'd it probably for monetary reasons since Michael Jackson screwed them out of their royalties.
What it shows me though, is how much damage George Martin did to them. For example, I always hated "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" until I heard the really pared down version of it with just George and the orchestra. His voice is purer on that track than any time I've ever heard. Gave me chills.
And I did like all these little elements that were subtle little fills in the original works--little flourish, drum beats, bass lines, strings, or tape loops that were always in the fade out.
However, as Let it Be Naked showed, the Beatles were great without Phil Spector and this shows they were great without George Martin as well.celadonstone wrote:
the end of dear prudence is played near the end.
The two simply DON'T come together.
parrothead wrote:
I think I missed the Dear Prudence in that mix!
the end of dear prudence is played near the end. It rises from the background. then the refrain paul says at the end of Cry baby cry comes in ('can you take me back?') it rises in with the eleanor rigby strings in it, repeated over and over
An amazing song. But why play it again after so short a time, threatening to have fans get fed up with it?
ObeliskToucher wrote:
Rated it a "1" due to the Cirque du Soliel-ism at the end... I'd give the same rating if a producer mixed in a Buddy Rich solo at the end of a Toscanini recording of Beethoven's Ninth.
Some things should *not* be messed with...
Absolutely!!! I recently saw the Cirque du Soleil show in Las Vegas out of curiosity, since I love The Beatles. Apart from a few whimsical costumes the show was very disappointing. Overblown, pretentious and BORING!!! It didn't capture the magic of the boys at all!!!
I think I missed the Dear Prudence in that mix!
Rated it a "1" due to the Cirque du Soliel-ism at the end... I'd give the same rating if a producer mixed in a Buddy Rich solo at the end of a Toscanini recording of Beethoven's Ninth.
Some things should *not* be messed with...
GNGRBRDMN wrote:
I had to have been hearing one of those damn remixes.
I always thought a remix was where someone without access to the original masters took a final recording and sliced it up as they saw fit, whereas these were created from the original masters by the original producer, with the (remaining) band members' approval.
But I may be thinking of techno remixes?
Great CD, the remastered tracks flow well on the collection.
I like the snare.
::sigh::
I was quietly listening to Come Together, and I was snapped out of my trance by a bunch of nonsense snippets tacked on the end that added no value, and I realized I had to have been hearing one of those damn remixes.
I liked this despite all the other thumbs down comments. And loved the Koop follow up.
greengarden wrote:
Your friend was probably correct in the broader sense. Specifically however, John said he wrote this as a campaign song for Timothy Leary.
I heard once that this was written in response to a challenge by a reporter at the bed in for peace. Something about how he couldn't write without Paul I think
Your friend was probably correct in the broader sense. Specifically however, John said he wrote this as a campaign song for Timothy Leary.
cattgirl813 wrote:
One day I was in our office kitchen and a few of us were talking about the Beatles and the Stones. I remember saying that I liked "Come Together," but I was never really sure what the song was about. Just then, one of the owners of the company (a very straight laced, quiet guy with a dry sense of humor) walked over to me and said, "It's about this." He then puffed on an imaginary joint, held it out to me and said, "Here, smoke this." He then poured himself a cup of coffee and left.
I don't know what was funnier; the various shades of red I turned, the way his comment came out of the blue, or the loud, snorting laugh the head of HR let out.
Cruithne3753 wrote:
There's always one, isn't there? 
Rick Rubin
tony620d wrote:
played out and half dead. just like the beatles.
I heard the surviving members were going to get together to form a drum 'n' bass outfit.
Pyro wrote:
You could always buy "Let It Be (naked)". As I understand, these are stripped down versions of the original Let it Be.
It was the mooshy Phil Specter string arrangements that were "stripped" out on Let It Be (Naked)
Cruithne3753 wrote:
George Martin refined them into a great sounding band.
There's always one, isn't there?
Indeed there is George Martin refined them into a great sounding band.
thewiseking wrote:
george martin;
the "5th beatle".
he overproduced
he got in the way
i would like to imagine how they would have sounded without him.
perhaps, with a producer with a softer touch,
and less ego.
There's always one, isn't there?
Pyro wrote:
This CD is a collaboration between Giles Martin (George's son), Papa George, Olivia Harrison and Yoko. All were involved in this loving recreation. I don't care if it was for money (although I sincerely doubt any of them NEED the bucks). I've SO enjoyed the CD!!
I'm sure Cirque du Soliel is thrilled with it.
Cirque du Soleil's head office is here, in Montreal, so we read a lot about them in the newspaper. So I can tell you that, YES, the cirque is even more than thrilled, it is an impossible dream come true for the founder Guy Laliberté, a guy who, 25 years ago, was spitting fire in the streets for a dime...
renlat wrote:
They would have sounded like the Let it be album;
unfinished...
thewiseking wrote:
george martin;
the "5th beatle".
he overproduced
he got in the way
i would like to imagine how they would have sounded without him.
perhaps, with a producer with a softer touch,
and less ego.
You could always buy "Let It Be (naked)". As I understand, these are stripped down versions of the original Let it Be.
IMHO, they wouldn't have been as good without Martin's creativity and innovative techniques.
thewiseking wrote:
george martin;
the "5th beatle".
he overproduced
he got in the way
i would like to imagine how they would have sounded without him.
perhaps, with a producer with a softer touch,
and less ego.
They would have sounded like the Let it be album;
unfinished...
This CD is a collaboration between Giles Martin (George's son), Papa George, Olivia Harrison and Yoko. All were involved in this loving recreation. I don't care if it was for money (although I sincerely doubt any of them NEED the bucks). I've SO enjoyed the CD!!
I'm sure Cirque du Soliel is thrilled with it.
Verpeiler wrote:
Just like the first ping in pink floyd's "echoes", the first shhhhk in "come together" makes me go "yesss", drop my work, lean back and enjoy.
10
I give a 10 to your comment!!!
george martin;
the "5th beatle".
he overproduced
he got in the way
i would like to imagine how they would have sounded without him.
perhaps, with a producer with a softer touch,
and less ego.
Just like the first ping in pink floyd's "echoes", the first shhhhk in "come together" makes me go "yesss", drop my work, lean back and enjoy.
10
Wow.
One day I was in our office kitchen and a few of us were talking about the Beatles and the Stones. I remember saying that I liked "Come Together," but I was never really sure what the song was about. Just then, one of the owners of the company (a very straight laced, quiet guy with a dry sense of humor) walked over to me and said, "It's about this." He then puffed on an imaginary joint, held it out to me and said, "Here, smoke this." He then poured himself a cup of coffee and left.
I don't know what was funnier; the various shades of red I turned, the way his comment came out of the blue, or the loud, snorting laugh the head of HR let out.
interesting reimagining of these tunes by sir george...
i love these mixes...priceless.
renlat wrote:
Yes, I really need to. Sorry.
Me, too. I bought it and can't STOP listening to it. Many nuances to be heard.
mperetz wrote:
Isn't anybody sick of this yet.. ? We all know they're great but do we really need to hear it over and over all our lives?
Yes, I really need to. Sorry.
A little respect here, please! Most of what you hear today would exists with the Beatles.
More small minds.....
mperetz wrote:
Isn't anybody sick of this yet.. ?
Nope, not me; although this re-release/tweaking/ what have you is weaker than the original. The transition out of "Come Together" doesn't work for me. Up to then it's a 9 or 10 for me
daveesh wrote:
it sounds okay, i guess, but the question is why?
Well apart from money, George Martin said that if you tweak the song just a little bit it feels new and it makes you sit back and say again "Wow, this stuff really is good"
mperetz wrote:
Isn't anybody sick of this yet.. ? We all know they're great but do we really need to hear it over and over all our lives? It's played out.
played out and half dead. just like the beatles.
daveesh wrote:
it sounds okay, i guess, but the question is why?
don't be idiot. $ that's why.
That was pretty cool. I am so getting this album. It sounded like chords from Eleanor Rigby in the background under "can you take me back..." It will be fun to try to figure out where the parts came from.
it sounds okay, i guess, but the question is why?
Of course these tunes are sublime, but that transition through Dear Prudence could have been better...
For a minute I thought it was more subliminal messages! (maybe it is!)
Well done.
Always good! Come together people.Isn't anybody sick of this yet.. ? We all know they're great but do we really need to hear it over and over all our lives? It's played out.
Oh YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10++++++
ROCK! 
Excellent!
Agreed, especially as we are being told several times a year how expensive the royalites are,
"The artists we play will benefit from your support as well, as at least 50% of the royalties we pay go directly to them rather than to their record labels. You can read more about the royalty issue here. "
so why not save money on crap like this and spend it on more deserving songs and artists?