Patty Griffin — Change
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Dog comes howling up behind you
Sinks his teeth in your leg
Tells you how now things are going to be a little different
And he takes you down a peg
You make him ashamed for you
He buys you a new dress
Because you make him ashamed for you
And he'd like you to look your best
So you change, oh, oh, oh
So you change, oh, oh, oh
So you change, oh, oh, oh
And the dog bites down a little harder
Somewhere out in the wild, wild west
That silly little thing that we tossed, tossed, tossed
Somehow now we don't talk about nothing else
But that silly little thing that we lost, that we lost, that we lost
And now there's no name for you
Come to find out none of that shit was even true
But now there's no name for you
I understand that you lost that too
When you change, oh, oh, oh
When you change, oh, oh, oh
When you change, oh, oh, oh
And the dog bites down a little harder
Change
Change
Change
Change
Man said, "Woman, I'm a little tired of you"
And she said, "Don't leave me, baby, I'll do anything you want me to"
And he said, "Can't you do something about the mess around this place?"
She said, "Anything, baby, anything, I can cover my face"
You make him ashamed for you
He buys you a new dress
'Cause you make him ashamed for you
In your nakedness
So you change, oh, oh, oh
And you change, oh, oh, oh
And you change, oh, oh, oh
And you change, you change, you change, change
Change
Change
Change
Change
Change
And the dog bites down a little harder
Sinks his teeth in your leg
Tells you how now things are going to be a little different
And he takes you down a peg
You make him ashamed for you
He buys you a new dress
Because you make him ashamed for you
And he'd like you to look your best
So you change, oh, oh, oh
So you change, oh, oh, oh
So you change, oh, oh, oh
And the dog bites down a little harder
Somewhere out in the wild, wild west
That silly little thing that we tossed, tossed, tossed
Somehow now we don't talk about nothing else
But that silly little thing that we lost, that we lost, that we lost
And now there's no name for you
Come to find out none of that shit was even true
But now there's no name for you
I understand that you lost that too
When you change, oh, oh, oh
When you change, oh, oh, oh
When you change, oh, oh, oh
And the dog bites down a little harder
Change
Change
Change
Change
Man said, "Woman, I'm a little tired of you"
And she said, "Don't leave me, baby, I'll do anything you want me to"
And he said, "Can't you do something about the mess around this place?"
She said, "Anything, baby, anything, I can cover my face"
You make him ashamed for you
He buys you a new dress
'Cause you make him ashamed for you
In your nakedness
So you change, oh, oh, oh
And you change, oh, oh, oh
And you change, oh, oh, oh
And you change, you change, you change, change
Change
Change
Change
Change
Change
And the dog bites down a little harder
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Amazing segue from Chris Isaac âTwo Heartsâ. Thank you, William. Stellar.
hindsightseer wrote:
Nirvana called and wants their "hello/hello/hello" Smells Like Teen Spirit riff back.
Would love to hear a mash up.
This track - and pretty much every one on the album - never fails to impress.
The comments add another level too...
c.
The comments add another level too...
c.
RobN wrote:
Get a clue. The entire track is inspired.
Terrible production, Patty is totally swamped by the uninspired drumming.
Get a clue. The entire track is inspired.
The bass riff at the end of the bridge is the hook ...
Truly killer.
Truly killer.
Better and Better and Better every time.
She wrote (performed) this in that â97,â98 era??
Yowzer, the things we missâŚ
she is a bad ash MF, we might need to send up another gold record, she can speak for me....
She wrote (performed) this in that â97,â98 era??
Yowzer, the things we missâŚ
she is a bad ash MF, we might need to send up another gold record, she can speak for me....
All men are bastards, whether we want to be or not. Do yourselves a big favour and love women, grrrls.
total 10 plus
8 --==>> 9
fredriley wrote:
Warshawski...The original name of the Chicago auto parts warehouse
(you could watch the Cubs play from the roof) that morphed into the
huge J C Whitney catalog...
Tony in NJ
W.A.S.T.E.
I've just read Sara Paretsky's novel Body Work, and this song immediately makes me think of Paretsky's feminist heroine VI Warshawski. That's a good thing :)
Warshawski...The original name of the Chicago auto parts warehouse
(you could watch the Cubs play from the roof) that morphed into the
huge J C Whitney catalog...
Tony in NJ
W.A.S.T.E.
Love him in Family Guy!
From Patty's take no prisoners wraught-iron album. Fantastic.
My favorite Patty Griffin album. Rock edge.
Worked with the volunteer victim services unit of Vancouver's Police Department for a few years. On average the number of times of clear abuse was somewhere between 20 and 30 before the victim said "I need out". Then it came down to what services or help was available. Up to the point of asking for help the clients, when they spoke, said words to the effect 'You change what you thought you were to get along, to protect your kids, maybe just to find a break.'
muse_Kidd wrote:
natural_tools wrote:
While listening to this tonight in the car, I suddenly stopped hearing the
"you change" parts as a repeating chorus and started hearing them as a
long catalog of every single instance of compromising your(her)self. The
song was already powerful to me, but wow, how overwhelming is that...
you change and you change and you change, you change, you change
rather common sound for a woman... belting out lyrics does not justify or make one interesting.
I hear pure emotion; sadness, shock at realization, rage, anguish, passion to persevere, and finally triumph! The lyrics are masterful. Love this song, absolute 10. Had to bump this too:natural_tools wrote:
While listening to this tonight in the car, I suddenly stopped hearing the
"you change" parts as a repeating chorus and started hearing them as a
long catalog of every single instance of compromising your(her)self. The
song was already powerful to me, but wow, how overwhelming is that...
you change and you change and you change, you change, you change
gmichaelt wrote:
Not in any way redeemed by letting Monroe have access to his diary?
Miller left it out in a common area of their home. I doubt he meant for Marilyn to read it but you have to wonder if at some level he did. He must have known of Marilyn's rocky childhood, so it's not as if he should have been surprised after marrying Marilyn that she wasn't a refined and educated intellectual.
Arthur Miller AFAICT was a conflicted man. He apparently struggled with guilt for having survived the Holocaust even though he was never in Europe during that period. When he and his wife had a baby boy with Down Syndrome, he had the child institutionalized and didn't have much his son until towards the end of his life. I get the impression that Arthur Miller was wrapped up in Arthur Miller and not always attuned to feelings of people around him.
Not in any way redeemed by letting Monroe have access to his diary?
Miller left it out in a common area of their home. I doubt he meant for Marilyn to read it but you have to wonder if at some level he did. He must have known of Marilyn's rocky childhood, so it's not as if he should have been surprised after marrying Marilyn that she wasn't a refined and educated intellectual.
Arthur Miller AFAICT was a conflicted man. He apparently struggled with guilt for having survived the Holocaust even though he was never in Europe during that period. When he and his wife had a baby boy with Down Syndrome, he had the child institutionalized and didn't have much his son until towards the end of his life. I get the impression that Arthur Miller was wrapped up in Arthur Miller and not always attuned to feelings of people around him.
Thanks for the ear candy, Bill and, thank you for ignoring those who would pretend to know what's best and clamor to isolate the rest of us from treasures like Patty Griffin. In Bill we trust...
LizK wrote:
No see... uhm. Why would your ex buy you a car? Bad planner? If he bought the car before he was an ex, and you left in the car, or just with it... that's a different story. Not one that's self-evident, but different.
Oh, are we here again? He buys a new dress, takes awhile to understand why. My ex bought me a car, part of his long-range plan. See?
No see... uhm. Why would your ex buy you a car? Bad planner? If he bought the car before he was an ex, and you left in the car, or just with it... that's a different story. Not one that's self-evident, but different.
kcar wrote:
Not in any way redeemed by letting Monroe have access to his diary?
Maybe Arthur felt some good came of the marriage when he churned the play out. But it's hard for me not to see him as a callous, self-serving jerk.
Not in any way redeemed by letting Monroe have access to his diary?
Steely_D wrote:
I heard that as well.
Nirvana called and wants their "hello/hello/hello" Smells Like Teen Spirit riff back.
I heard that as well.Oh I am going to go there yes I am:
"Dog comes howling up behind you
Sinks his teeth in your leg
Tells you how now things are going to be a little different
And he takes you down a peg
You make him ashamed for you
He buys you a new dress
Because you make him ashamed for you
And he'd like you to look your best,,"
A favorite stanza for all our American women out there in the Tramp administration. Oh yes I went there. Ummmm.....not that I'm agreeable to the Tramp...only to say Patty....you're on point with the women's point of view on this one ain't ya.?
So it goes in the land where even a Tramp can sit on the Throne. I guess all the misanthropes out there can take heart?
Highlow
American Net'Zen
"Dog comes howling up behind you
Sinks his teeth in your leg
Tells you how now things are going to be a little different
And he takes you down a peg
You make him ashamed for you
He buys you a new dress
Because you make him ashamed for you
And he'd like you to look your best,,"
A favorite stanza for all our American women out there in the Tramp administration. Oh yes I went there. Ummmm.....not that I'm agreeable to the Tramp...only to say Patty....you're on point with the women's point of view on this one ain't ya.?
So it goes in the land where even a Tramp can sit on the Throne. I guess all the misanthropes out there can take heart?
Highlow
American Net'Zen
Foghorn voice, yuck.
Steely_D wrote:
I don't hear that at all
Nirvana called and wants their "hello/hello/hello" Smells Like Teen Spirit riff back.
I don't hear that at all
Nirvana called and wants their "hello/hello/hello" Smells Like Teen Spirit riff back.
LizK wrote:
"Dress" is a slightly different story. It's about a failed effort to attract using what the woman believes is the main attraction to a man, her new dress. Patty's story is about a relationship that warps into humiliation and self-destruction. The man uses the dress, he hopes, to hide what she's become. Highly toxic stuff.
I see your point, and agree.
"Dress" is a slightly different story. It's about a failed effort to attract using what the woman believes is the main attraction to a man, her new dress. Patty's story is about a relationship that warps into humiliation and self-destruction. The man uses the dress, he hopes, to hide what she's become. Highly toxic stuff.
I see your point, and agree.
dc_zee wrote:
"Dress" is a slightly different story. It's about a failed effort to attract using what the woman believes is the main attraction to a man, her new dress. Patty's story is about a relationship that warps into humiliation and self-destruction. The man uses the dress, he hopes, to hide what she's become. Highly toxic stuff.
Yep, PJ Harvey's "Dress" is also an interesting take on the pattern.
LizK wrote:
LizK wrote:
Oh, are we here again? He buys a new dress, takes awhile to understand why. My ex bought me a car, part of his long-range plan. See? Songs really can tell you a story. Or your story.
Patty and this song are just so good. So good, well great.
Patty and this song are just so good. So good, well great.
"Dress" is a slightly different story. It's about a failed effort to attract using what the woman believes is the main attraction to a man, her new dress. Patty's story is about a relationship that warps into humiliation and self-destruction. The man uses the dress, he hopes, to hide what she's become. Highly toxic stuff.
Did I hit 10? YES
RobN wrote:
never been an issue for me. I've always listened to Patty.
Terrible production, Patty is totally swamped by the uninspired drumming.
never been an issue for me. I've always listened to Patty.
Bellow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All right! Patty, all right! I give up! I'm not putting it off any longer and buying this album!
Wow! Just $5.99? (on iTunes) everybody should stop putting it off and buy this album.
Wow! Just $5.99? (on iTunes) everybody should stop putting it off and buy this album.
kcar wrote:
This sort of behavior reminds me of Arthur Miller's treatment of Marilyn Monroe. Marilyn adored Miller, publicly defended him when he was in trouble with HUAC, and tried hard to win his approval after marriage. Yet she discovered in his diary his disappointment with her, his occasional embarrassment when she talked to his intellectual friends, and his fear that Monroe would hinder his work as a writer. Marilyn also claimed that Miller said in a diary entry that he could only love his daughter. Monroe was devastated and grew even more insecure.
After Marilyn's death, Miller presented his play "After the Fall" in early 1964. Miller IIRC denied it was based on his marriage to Marilyn, but according to Wikipedia "the play is about a New York Jewish intellectual who decides to reexamine his life in order to determine if he should marry his most recent love, Holga." Most critics felt that the play was Miller's commentary on Marilyn as unstable and pathetic, and his failed marriage.
A biographer of Jackie Kennedy is quoted in the Wikipedia entry on the play: "According to Sarah Bradford in her biography America's Queen: The Life of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, 'Jackie, who had admired Arthur Miller enough to seat him at her table at the Malraux dinner, turned on him for his betrayal of Marilyn in his play After the Fall, which opened in New York on January 23, 1964. For loyalty was the ultimate test of character, and in portraying Marilyn as a self-destructive slut whom he had abandoned for her own good, Miller had dismally failed it.” "
Maybe Arthur felt some good came of the marriage when he churned the play out. But it's hard for me not to see him as a callous, self-serving jerk.
Interesting!
This sort of behavior reminds me of Arthur Miller's treatment of Marilyn Monroe. Marilyn adored Miller, publicly defended him when he was in trouble with HUAC, and tried hard to win his approval after marriage. Yet she discovered in his diary his disappointment with her, his occasional embarrassment when she talked to his intellectual friends, and his fear that Monroe would hinder his work as a writer. Marilyn also claimed that Miller said in a diary entry that he could only love his daughter. Monroe was devastated and grew even more insecure.
After Marilyn's death, Miller presented his play "After the Fall" in early 1964. Miller IIRC denied it was based on his marriage to Marilyn, but according to Wikipedia "the play is about a New York Jewish intellectual who decides to reexamine his life in order to determine if he should marry his most recent love, Holga." Most critics felt that the play was Miller's commentary on Marilyn as unstable and pathetic, and his failed marriage.
A biographer of Jackie Kennedy is quoted in the Wikipedia entry on the play: "According to Sarah Bradford in her biography America's Queen: The Life of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, 'Jackie, who had admired Arthur Miller enough to seat him at her table at the Malraux dinner, turned on him for his betrayal of Marilyn in his play After the Fall, which opened in New York on January 23, 1964. For loyalty was the ultimate test of character, and in portraying Marilyn as a self-destructive slut whom he had abandoned for her own good, Miller had dismally failed it.” "
Maybe Arthur felt some good came of the marriage when he churned the play out. But it's hard for me not to see him as a callous, self-serving jerk.
Interesting!
One of my favorite songs of hers. Not only does it rock, the lyrics elegantly capture an unhealthy relationship.
RobN wrote:
You must be a drummer, many people rarely pay attention to the drum tracks. The drums are mixed pretty low, so they shouldn't be able to "swamp" her vocals.
Terrible production, Patty is totally swamped by the uninspired drumming.
You must be a drummer, many people rarely pay attention to the drum tracks. The drums are mixed pretty low, so they shouldn't be able to "swamp" her vocals.
RobN wrote:
Dude. Are you even listening to Patty? When she cuts loose, ain't nobody need worry 'bout no swamp.
Terrible production, Patty is totally swamped by the uninspired drumming.
Dude. Are you even listening to Patty? When she cuts loose, ain't nobody need worry 'bout no swamp.
Terrible production, Patty is totally swamped by the uninspired drumming.
dc_zee wrote:
This sort of behavior reminds me of Arthur Miller's treatment of Marilyn Monroe. Marilyn adored Miller, publicly defended him when he was in trouble with HUAC, and tried hard to win his approval after marriage. Yet she discovered in his diary his disappointment with her, his occasional embarrassment when she talked to his intellectual friends, and his fear that Monroe would hinder his work as a writer. Marilyn also claimed that Miller said in a diary entry that he could only love his daughter. Monroe was devastated and grew even more insecure.
After Marilyn's death, Miller presented his play "After the Fall" in early 1964. Miller IIRC denied it was based on his marriage to Marilyn, but according to Wikipedia "the play is about a New York Jewish intellectual who decides to reexamine his life in order to determine if he should marry his most recent love, Holga." Most critics felt that the play was Miller's commentary on Marilyn as unstable and pathetic, and his failed marriage.
A biographer of Jackie Kennedy is quoted in the Wikipedia entry on the play: "According to Sarah Bradford in her biography America's Queen: The Life of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, 'Jackie, who had admired Arthur Miller enough to seat him at her table at the Malraux dinner, turned on him for his betrayal of Marilyn in his play After the Fall, which opened in New York on January 23, 1964. For loyalty was the ultimate test of character, and in portraying Marilyn as a self-destructive slut whom he had abandoned for her own good, Miller had dismally failed it.” "
Maybe Arthur felt some good came of the marriage when he churned the play out. But it's hard for me not to see him as a callous, self-serving jerk.
Yep, PJ Harvey's "Dress" is also an interesting take on the pattern.
LizK wrote:
LizK wrote:
Oh, are we here again? He buys a new dress, takes awhile to understand why. My ex bought me a car, part of his long-range plan. See? Songs really can tell you a story. Or your story.
Patty and this song are just so good. So good, well great.
Patty and this song are just so good. So good, well great.
This sort of behavior reminds me of Arthur Miller's treatment of Marilyn Monroe. Marilyn adored Miller, publicly defended him when he was in trouble with HUAC, and tried hard to win his approval after marriage. Yet she discovered in his diary his disappointment with her, his occasional embarrassment when she talked to his intellectual friends, and his fear that Monroe would hinder his work as a writer. Marilyn also claimed that Miller said in a diary entry that he could only love his daughter. Monroe was devastated and grew even more insecure.
After Marilyn's death, Miller presented his play "After the Fall" in early 1964. Miller IIRC denied it was based on his marriage to Marilyn, but according to Wikipedia "the play is about a New York Jewish intellectual who decides to reexamine his life in order to determine if he should marry his most recent love, Holga." Most critics felt that the play was Miller's commentary on Marilyn as unstable and pathetic, and his failed marriage.
A biographer of Jackie Kennedy is quoted in the Wikipedia entry on the play: "According to Sarah Bradford in her biography America's Queen: The Life of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, 'Jackie, who had admired Arthur Miller enough to seat him at her table at the Malraux dinner, turned on him for his betrayal of Marilyn in his play After the Fall, which opened in New York on January 23, 1964. For loyalty was the ultimate test of character, and in portraying Marilyn as a self-destructive slut whom he had abandoned for her own good, Miller had dismally failed it.” "
Maybe Arthur felt some good came of the marriage when he churned the play out. But it's hard for me not to see him as a callous, self-serving jerk.
Yep, PJ Harvey's "Dress" is also an interesting take on the pattern.
LizK wrote:
LizK wrote:
Oh, are we here again? He buys a new dress, takes awhile to understand why. My ex bought me a car, part of his long-range plan. See? Songs really can tell you a story. Or your story.
Patty and this song are just so good. So good, well great.
Patty and this song are just so good. So good, well great.
I think this is her best album
and this is one of the good tracks
and this is one of the good tracks
Yea! It never gets old....
Like it in a big way!
"We can get you ten dimes for a dollar, or four quarters. People ask us how we make a profit?The answer is simple-VOLUME!"
One of my favorite tunes of hers.
Patty Griffin slays me every time!
bump
natural_tools wrote:
natural_tools wrote:
While listening to this tonight in the car, I suddenly stopped hearing the "you change" parts as a repeating chorus and started hearing them as a long catalog of every single instance of compromising your(her)self. The song was already powerful to me, but wow, how overwhelming is that...
you change and you change and you change, you change, you change
you change and you change and you change, you change, you change
amoreena wrote:
Saw her with Robert Plant, who told the rapt audience that Patty was the best female vocalist in America. What he said.
Who? Byronape wrote:
While nothing on the internet really matters generally, proper spelling will keep others from automatically assuming that you are an idiot. It doesn't have to be perfect, but it's clear when someone at least makes an effort and who doesn't. The only exception would be people who do not speak/write English as a native language.
Besides, it's a good habit to get into. Nothing irritates me more than getting emails from co-workers and friends that contain all kind of spelling errors. In the days where any good browser has a spell check option built in, there's no excuse for not putting in the effort to make your point as clear and concise as you can. After all, if it's important enough to post, that means you want people to read it. If it has a bunch of misspelled words, people will stop before the end.
Have a little self respect and make at least half an effort.
Hey Byronape,
You are summing up really well many feelings I have about correct spelling.
I might quote your lines. I hope you don't mind.
Congratulations, again.
While nothing on the internet really matters generally, proper spelling will keep others from automatically assuming that you are an idiot. It doesn't have to be perfect, but it's clear when someone at least makes an effort and who doesn't. The only exception would be people who do not speak/write English as a native language.
Besides, it's a good habit to get into. Nothing irritates me more than getting emails from co-workers and friends that contain all kind of spelling errors. In the days where any good browser has a spell check option built in, there's no excuse for not putting in the effort to make your point as clear and concise as you can. After all, if it's important enough to post, that means you want people to read it. If it has a bunch of misspelled words, people will stop before the end.
Have a little self respect and make at least half an effort.
Hey Byronape,
You are summing up really well many feelings I have about correct spelling.
I might quote your lines. I hope you don't mind.
Congratulations, again.
Byronape wrote:
While nothing on the internet really matters generally, proper spelling will keep others from automatically assuming that you are an idiot. It doesn't have to be perfect, but it's clear when someone at least makes an effort and who doesn't. The only exception would be people who do not speak/write English as a native language.
Besides, it's a good habit to get into. Nothing irritates me more than getting emails from co-workers and friends that contain all kind of spelling errors. In the days where any good browser has a spell check option built in, there's no excuse for not putting in the effort to make your point as clear and concise as you can. After all, if it's important enough to post, that means you want people to read it. If it has a bunch of misspelled words, people will stop before the end.
Have a little self respect and make at least half an effort.
Language is flexible. The norm today won't be recognized in 100 years. Relax. If t'were so, then it will be but a memery. Life is a crewl reminder of the sadness of loss.
While nothing on the internet really matters generally, proper spelling will keep others from automatically assuming that you are an idiot. It doesn't have to be perfect, but it's clear when someone at least makes an effort and who doesn't. The only exception would be people who do not speak/write English as a native language.
Besides, it's a good habit to get into. Nothing irritates me more than getting emails from co-workers and friends that contain all kind of spelling errors. In the days where any good browser has a spell check option built in, there's no excuse for not putting in the effort to make your point as clear and concise as you can. After all, if it's important enough to post, that means you want people to read it. If it has a bunch of misspelled words, people will stop before the end.
Have a little self respect and make at least half an effort.
Language is flexible. The norm today won't be recognized in 100 years. Relax. If t'were so, then it will be but a memery. Life is a crewl reminder of the sadness of loss.
Byronape wrote:
While nothing on the internet really matters generally, proper spelling will keep others from automatically assuming that you are an idiot. It doesn't have to be perfect, but it's clear when someone at least makes an effort and who doesn't. The only exception would be people who do not speak/write English as a native language.
Besides, it's a good habit to get into. Nothing irritates me more than getting emails from co-workers and friends that contain all kind of spelling errors. In the days where any good browser has a spell check option built in, there's no excuse for not putting in the effort to make your point as clear and concise as you can. After all, if it's important enough to post, that means you want people to read it. If it has a bunch of misspelled words, people will stop before the end.
Have a little self respect and make at least half an effort.
Ay yai yai...where to begin. I'll just say that language fascism, and especially spelling fasism, is a cruel, evil, and oppressive institution, entirely based on power and money, that literally condems millions, nay billions of people around the world to abject poverty.
Some leftist you are!
No, I am not joking, being provocative, or being a troll.
I believe this with all my hart and sole!!
While nothing on the internet really matters generally, proper spelling will keep others from automatically assuming that you are an idiot. It doesn't have to be perfect, but it's clear when someone at least makes an effort and who doesn't. The only exception would be people who do not speak/write English as a native language.
Besides, it's a good habit to get into. Nothing irritates me more than getting emails from co-workers and friends that contain all kind of spelling errors. In the days where any good browser has a spell check option built in, there's no excuse for not putting in the effort to make your point as clear and concise as you can. After all, if it's important enough to post, that means you want people to read it. If it has a bunch of misspelled words, people will stop before the end.
Have a little self respect and make at least half an effort.
Ay yai yai...where to begin. I'll just say that language fascism, and especially spelling fasism, is a cruel, evil, and oppressive institution, entirely based on power and money, that literally condems millions, nay billions of people around the world to abject poverty.
Some leftist you are!
No, I am not joking, being provocative, or being a troll.
I believe this with all my hart and sole!!
I'm SOOOOO excited... Patty is going on a solo tour, an acoustic performance and I have two tickets to see her at Eddie Owen's Red Clay Theater near Atlanta. Come on October !
Always liked hearing this song and didn't note until now that it was Patty Griffin ——— who I thought I didn't like.
gypsyman wrote:
Yuppers !
This kicks major ass.
Yuppers !
LizK wrote:
Bows on gifts aren't always strings, but they make for some interesting songs when they are. One of my favorites is PJ Harvey's "Dress".
Oh, are we here again? He buys a new dress, takes awhile to understand why. My ex bought me a car, part of his long-range plan. See? Songs really can tell you a story. Or your story.
Patty and this song are just so good. So good, well great.
Patty and this song are just so good. So good, well great.
Bows on gifts aren't always strings, but they make for some interesting songs when they are. One of my favorites is PJ Harvey's "Dress".
This kicks major ass.
gemtag wrote:
Well sad.
I second, perhaps third.
Well sad.
I second, perhaps third.
Byronape wrote:
While nothing on the internet really matters generally, proper spelling will keep others from automatically assuming that you are an idiot. It doesn't have to be perfect, but it's clear when someone at least makes an effort and who doesn't. The only exception would be people who do not speak/write English as a native language.
Besides, it's a good habit to get into. Nothing irritates me more than getting emails from co-workers and friends that contain all kind of spelling errors. In the days where any good browser has a spell check option built in, there's no excuse for not putting in the effort to make your point as clear and concise as you can. After all, if it's important enough to post, that means you want people to read it. If it has a bunch of misspelled words, people will stop before the end.
Have a little self respect and make at least half an effort.
Well sad.
While nothing on the internet really matters generally, proper spelling will keep others from automatically assuming that you are an idiot. It doesn't have to be perfect, but it's clear when someone at least makes an effort and who doesn't. The only exception would be people who do not speak/write English as a native language.
Besides, it's a good habit to get into. Nothing irritates me more than getting emails from co-workers and friends that contain all kind of spelling errors. In the days where any good browser has a spell check option built in, there's no excuse for not putting in the effort to make your point as clear and concise as you can. After all, if it's important enough to post, that means you want people to read it. If it has a bunch of misspelled words, people will stop before the end.
Have a little self respect and make at least half an effort.
Well sad.
Oh, are we here again? He buys a new dress, takes awhile to understand why. My ex bought me a car, part of his long-range plan. See? Songs really can tell you a story. Or your story.
Patty and this song are just so good. So good, well great.
Patty and this song are just so good. So good, well great.
Byronape wrote:
While nothing on the internet really matters generally, proper spelling will keep others from automatically assuming that you are an idiot. It doesn't have to be perfect, but it's clear when someone at least makes an effort and who doesn't. The only exception would be people who do not speak/write English as a native language.
Besides, it's a good habit to get into. Nothing irritates me more than getting emails from co-workers and friends that contain all kind of spelling errors. In the days where any good browser has a spell check option built in, there's no excuse for not putting in the effort to make your point as clear and concise as you can. After all, if it's important enough to post, that means you want people to read it. If it has a bunch of misspelled words, people will stop before the end.
Have a little self respect and make at least half an effort.
I was attempting, in perhaps an unsuccessfully humorous way, to point out Horstman's overreaction to Wonderlove's post. Unlike you, I don't assume that an individual is an idiot, or more importantly lacks self-respect (!), because they've misspelled a few words on a music forum. As this issue seems to irritate you so much, if venting that frustration online is a form of therapy, that's a good thing.
While nothing on the internet really matters generally, proper spelling will keep others from automatically assuming that you are an idiot. It doesn't have to be perfect, but it's clear when someone at least makes an effort and who doesn't. The only exception would be people who do not speak/write English as a native language.
Besides, it's a good habit to get into. Nothing irritates me more than getting emails from co-workers and friends that contain all kind of spelling errors. In the days where any good browser has a spell check option built in, there's no excuse for not putting in the effort to make your point as clear and concise as you can. After all, if it's important enough to post, that means you want people to read it. If it has a bunch of misspelled words, people will stop before the end.
Have a little self respect and make at least half an effort.
I was attempting, in perhaps an unsuccessfully humorous way, to point out Horstman's overreaction to Wonderlove's post. Unlike you, I don't assume that an individual is an idiot, or more importantly lacks self-respect (!), because they've misspelled a few words on a music forum. As this issue seems to irritate you so much, if venting that frustration online is a form of therapy, that's a good thing.
chyk5 wrote:
While nothing on the internet really matters generally, proper spelling will keep others from automatically assuming that you are an idiot. It doesn't have to be perfect, but it's clear when someone at least makes an effort and who doesn't. The only exception would be people who do not speak/write English as a native language.
Besides, it's a good habit to get into. Nothing irritates me more than getting emails from co-workers and friends that contain all kind of spelling errors. In the days where any good browser has a spell check option built in, there's no excuse for not putting in the effort to make your point as clear and concise as you can. After all, if it's important enough to post, that means you want people to read it. If it has a bunch of misspelled words, people will stop before the end.
Have a little self respect and make at least half an effort.
Perhaps that is something you should werk (oops!) to overcum (oops-damn!)
While nothing on the internet really matters generally, proper spelling will keep others from automatically assuming that you are an idiot. It doesn't have to be perfect, but it's clear when someone at least makes an effort and who doesn't. The only exception would be people who do not speak/write English as a native language.
Besides, it's a good habit to get into. Nothing irritates me more than getting emails from co-workers and friends that contain all kind of spelling errors. In the days where any good browser has a spell check option built in, there's no excuse for not putting in the effort to make your point as clear and concise as you can. After all, if it's important enough to post, that means you want people to read it. If it has a bunch of misspelled words, people will stop before the end.
Have a little self respect and make at least half an effort.
Good gracious woman
Saw her with Robert Plant, who told the rapt audience that Patty was the best female vocalist in America. What he said.
horstman wrote:
Perhaps that is something you should werk (oops!) to overcum (oops-damn!)
Probably not, but I get pretty passionate about spelling. Take your time on the keyboard. It is the new pen and voice of the internet.
Perhaps that is something you should werk (oops!) to overcum (oops-damn!)
This song still has the same punch and immediacy as it did the first time I heard it years ago.
8 to a 10.
Its become on of those songs in my haid now.
8 to a 10.
Its become on of those songs in my haid now.
GawgaBoy wrote:
I'm curious.... was it really necessary to be rude and condescending?
Probably not, but I get pretty passionate about spelling. Take your time on the keyboard. It is the new pen and voice of the internet.
I'm curious.... was it really necessary to be rude and condescending?
Good god this chorus is soooo painful
Chahhahahahahahahnge the station....... :(
Chahhahahahahahahnge the station....... :(
Change is a good thing! She has a really good voice for a chick too! =)
cc_rider wrote:
Oh yeah, one more thing: she can rock your face clean off.
Bump horstman wrote:
First off, you don't know how to spell. Either that or you're so busy trying to get your point off, you forgot to proof your post. It's Sheryl.
And second, two totally different styles. Love both these ladies, but Sheryl was the best early in her career and Patty is better on the tail end of hers. Sheryl is more introspective and quite frankly, made a hell of lot more money and fame than Patty. Does it make her a better artist? Quite arguable. But they are both quite good. I just wouldn't listen to Sheryl today whereas I hang on everything Patty does.
No artist can lay claim to the countrified rock and gospel sound evident in both Pattie's and Sheryl's work. I guess you could point out that Sheryl started her career a little before Patti so she's not really stealing from her. But (I hope) neither of these great talents is at the tail end of their careers. They're not actresses who have to stay looking young in order to keep working.
First off, you don't know how to spell. Either that or you're so busy trying to get your point off, you forgot to proof your post. It's Sheryl.
And second, two totally different styles. Love both these ladies, but Sheryl was the best early in her career and Patty is better on the tail end of hers. Sheryl is more introspective and quite frankly, made a hell of lot more money and fame than Patty. Does it make her a better artist? Quite arguable. But they are both quite good. I just wouldn't listen to Sheryl today whereas I hang on everything Patty does.
No artist can lay claim to the countrified rock and gospel sound evident in both Pattie's and Sheryl's work. I guess you could point out that Sheryl started her career a little before Patti so she's not really stealing from her. But (I hope) neither of these great talents is at the tail end of their careers. They're not actresses who have to stay looking young in order to keep working.
This always sets me to moving. Great voice, great song. Go Patty. 
I've just read Sara Paretsky's novel Body Work, and this song immediately makes me think of Paretsky's feminist heroine VI Warshawski. That's a good thing :)
horstman wrote:
First off, you don't know how to spell. Either that or you're so busy trying to get your point off, you forgot to proof your post. It's Sheryl.
And second, two totally different styles. Love both these ladies, but Sheryl was the best early in her career and Patty is better on the tail end of hers. Sheryl is more introspective and quite frankly, made a hell of lot more money and fame than Patty. Does it make her a better artist? Quite arguable. But they are both quite good. I just wouldn't listen to Sheryl today whereas I hang on everything Patty does.
I'm curious.... was it really necessary to be rude and condescending?
First off, you don't know how to spell. Either that or you're so busy trying to get your point off, you forgot to proof your post. It's Sheryl.
And second, two totally different styles. Love both these ladies, but Sheryl was the best early in her career and Patty is better on the tail end of hers. Sheryl is more introspective and quite frankly, made a hell of lot more money and fame than Patty. Does it make her a better artist? Quite arguable. But they are both quite good. I just wouldn't listen to Sheryl today whereas I hang on everything Patty does.
I'm curious.... was it really necessary to be rude and condescending?
wonderlove99 wrote:
First off, you don't know how to spell. Either that or you're so busy trying to get your point off, you forgot to proof your post. It's Sheryl.
And second, two totally different styles. Love both these ladies, but Sheryl was the best early in her career and Patty is better on the tail end of hers. Sheryl is more introspective and quite frankly, made a hell of lot more money and fame than Patty. Does it make her a better artist? Quite arguable. But they are both quite good. I just wouldn't listen to Sheryl today whereas I hang on everything Patty does.
Has Sherly Crow been ripping this woman off for the last 10 years??
First off, you don't know how to spell. Either that or you're so busy trying to get your point off, you forgot to proof your post. It's Sheryl.
And second, two totally different styles. Love both these ladies, but Sheryl was the best early in her career and Patty is better on the tail end of hers. Sheryl is more introspective and quite frankly, made a hell of lot more money and fame than Patty. Does it make her a better artist? Quite arguable. But they are both quite good. I just wouldn't listen to Sheryl today whereas I hang on everything Patty does.
bump
natural_tools wrote:
While listening to this tonight in the car, I suddenly stopped hearing the "you change" parts as a repeating chorus and started hearing them as a long catalog of every single instance of compromising your(her)self. The song was already powerful to me, but wow, how overwhelming is that...
you change and you change and you change, you change, you change
you change and you change and you change, you change, you change
You all should have been at the Mercy Lounge a few weeks ago —- Buddy Miller, Julie Miller, PAtty Griffin and about 50 of Nashville Music Row's most famous artists were there and we was rockin'!
gypsyman wrote:
quaditto
Quintitto!
quaditto
Quintitto!
coy wrote:
Ditto.
triple ditto
quaditto
Ditto.
triple ditto
quaditto
6 -> 7
wonderlove99 wrote:
Has Sherly Crow been ripping this woman off for the last 10 years??
Has Sherly Crow been ripping this woman off for the last 10 years??
Krispian wrote:
Ditto.
triple ditto
This song gives me chills. A knockout punch of disturbing subject matter and the astounding dexterity of Patty's voice.
Ditto.
triple ditto
Krispian wrote:
Ditto.
This song gives me chills. A knockout punch of disturbing subject matter and the astounding dexterity of Patty's voice.
Ditto.
ckcotton wrote:
PLEEEEEAAAASEEEEEEE PLEEEEEEAAAASSSEEEEE PLEAAAASSSSEEEEE!!!!!!
CHAAAAA AAAAAA AAAAAA AAAAAANNNNNNN GGGGGEEEE the song.... just terrible
PLEEEEEAAAASEEEEEEE PLEEEEEEAAAASSSEEEEE PLEAAAASSSSEEEEE!!!!!!
CHAAAAA AAAAAA AAAAAA AAAAAANNNNNNN GGGGGEEEE the song.... just terrible
james_of_tucson wrote:
I agree. It's almost like she has to hold it back when she's recording. Her live performances are emotionally exhausting. In a good way.
I will go as far as to say she is a much stronger performing artist than her recordings capture.
I agree. It's almost like she has to hold it back when she's recording. Her live performances are emotionally exhausting. In a good way.
gatorade wrote:
I will go as far as to say she is a much stronger performing artist than her recordings capture.
A powerful voice that she controls perfectly. She puts on a rockin live show.
I will go as far as to say she is a much stronger performing artist than her recordings capture.
A powerful voice that she controls perfectly. She puts on a rockin live show.
This song gives me chills. A knockout punch of disturbing subject matter and the astounding dexterity of Patty's voice.
rabbi_phil wrote:
???????nice try???????????better luck next time??????????
(it's o.k. i understand. you didn't get the post, thats allright, maybe next time) was that snarky? its was wasn't it. almost sorry about that, but not quite.
I think he understood the post just fine. It's just the super-wide unbreakable text that borks the page, so he was trying to get it far enough into the past to not do that. For me, I got it, 'cause I don't get how anybody can't think this is god-like.
???????nice try???????????better luck next time??????????
(it's o.k. i understand. you didn't get the post, thats allright, maybe next time) was that snarky? its was wasn't it. almost sorry about that, but not quite.
I think he understood the post just fine. It's just the super-wide unbreakable text that borks the page, so he was trying to get it far enough into the past to not do that. For me, I got it, 'cause I don't get how anybody can't think this is god-like.
gillespp wrote:
Wonderful music.
Yes, if she would only stop that "singing" thing.
Wonderful music.
Yes, if she would only stop that "singing" thing.
Jelani wrote:
Wonderful music.
Horrible noise.
Wonderful music.
Horrible noise.
Love Patty Griffin. She is amazing.
Just doing my part to get rid of the annoying line of ?? on this page.
Just doing my part to get rid of the annoying line of ?? on this page.
This whole CD is really amazing - it was the first Patty Griffin album I ever bought. Won't be the last, for certain! 
rabbi_phil wrote:
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Indeed. I think this one is completely awesome,a10.
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Indeed. I think this one is completely awesome,a10.
muse_Kidd wrote:
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rather common sound for a woman... belting out lyrics does not justify or make one interesting.
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Never heard this before, but sounds like a good example of a well done 90's pop song.
mem_313 wrote:
Not the best - that's saying something because this is a great song. The whole album is great, start to finish.
i haven't listened to Patty G in a while. Not the best off this album, love her unusality.
Not the best - that's saying something because this is a great song. The whole album is great, start to finish.
i haven't listened to Patty G in a while. Not the best off this album, love her unusality.
Awesome album, awesome song.
patty. fucking. rocks.
muse_Kidd wrote:
troll
rather common sound for a woman... belting out lyrics does not justify or make one interesting.
troll
bam23 wrote:
It's amazing that you hear this sort of thing commonly. Where do you hang out? At least you mention that there are lyrics; do they make it through your shield of oversimplification and generalization?
To be fair to the OP, a lot of female musicians surely try to sound like this.
After all, this is how it should be done.
It's amazing that you hear this sort of thing commonly. Where do you hang out? At least you mention that there are lyrics; do they make it through your shield of oversimplification and generalization?
To be fair to the OP, a lot of female musicians surely try to sound like this.
After all, this is how it should be done.
muse_Kidd wrote:
It's amazing that you hear this sort of thing commonly. Where do you hang out? At least you mention that there are lyrics; do they make it through your shield of oversimplification and generalization?
rather common sound for a woman... belting out lyrics does not justify or make one interesting.
It's amazing that you hear this sort of thing commonly. Where do you hang out? At least you mention that there are lyrics; do they make it through your shield of oversimplification and generalization?
Flaming Red is by far my favorite PG album. It crosses a wide range of emotional spectrums, from front to back... and damn I can't play the first half loud enough.
muse_Kidd wrote:
Rather common comment for a sexist... writing bollocks does not justify the comment or make the commenter interesting.
rather common sound for a woman... belting out lyrics does not justify or make one interesting.
Rather common comment for a sexist... writing bollocks does not justify the comment or make the commenter interesting.
Man, would I LOVE to see her with Band of Joy - Plant is good with Krauss, but I bet Patty Griffin would make him earn his paycheck! This is my favorite CD of hers.
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natural_tools wrote:
natural_tools wrote:
While listening to this tonight in the car, I suddenly stopped hearing the "you change" parts as a repeating chorus and started hearing them as a long catalog of every single instance of compromising your(her)self. The song was already powerful to me, but wow, how overwhelming is that...
you change and you change and you change, you change, you change
you change and you change and you change, you change, you change
Keep listening Teapot. Maybe you will change......
Weird. Normally I like her, but I'm not fond of this song.
Chills. Every. Time.
rather common sound for a woman... belting out lyrics does not justify or make one interesting.
First time I think I've heard Patty Griffin. What a terrific voice! Turned the volume WAY up for this song.
Xeric wrote:
That's the whole point of the song, the anger is what makes it grat.
You know, there are several cuts on this album with great songwriting, fine singing . . . and no infernal screeching. I like those cuts better. Personally.
That's the whole point of the song, the anger is what makes it grat.
vandal wrote:
Great picture. It's kinda weird to think of this song, especially the edgy, almost angry parts, coming from a woman who looks so unassuming.
Patty Griffin rocks.
Patty Griffin rocks.
Love Patty!
Time and play hasn't taken anything away from this song. Still a 10!
They're gonna be here in Dallas tomorrow. Wish I could go, but it's not in the cards.
Ah well, I'd rather see Patty singing and playing her own songs anyway. :sourgrapes:
Ah well, I'd rather see Patty singing and playing her own songs anyway. :sourgrapes:
fingerpin wrote:
They launched that tour here Tuesday. I did not get to attend, but I heard good things about it. They placed a gold star in the sidewalk outside of the theatre where he played for the occassion.
She's singing with Robert Plant's Band of Joy on their upcoming tour. Should be awesome. 
They launched that tour here Tuesday. I did not get to attend, but I heard good things about it. They placed a gold star in the sidewalk outside of the theatre where he played for the occassion.
She's singing with Robert Plant's Band of Joy on their upcoming tour. Should be awesome.
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