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Joy Division — Love Will Tear Us Apart
Album: Love Will Tear Us Apart
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7.8

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Length: 3:18
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When routine bites hard and ambitions are low
And resentment rides high but emotions won't grow
And we're changing our ways, taking different roads

Then love, love will tear us apart again
Love, love will tear us apart again

Why is the bedroom so cold? You've turned away on your side
Is my timing that flawed? Our respect runs so dry
Yet there's still this appeal that we've kept through our lives

But love, love will tear us apart again
Love, love will tear us apart again

You cry out in your sleep, all my failings exposed
And there's a taste in my mouth as desperation takes hold
Just that something so good just can't function no more

But love, love will tear us apart again
Love, love will tear us apart again
Love, love will tear us apart again
Love, love will tear us apart again
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On what planet did I rate this a mere 8.

A heartbreaking song and delivery that is soooo relatable. 

10 all day long!
 joejennings wrote:



Your nic-name?  ...what are YOU good at? ...eh?


banging your wife
 MilesW wrote:


It would be nice if there were an "auto-skip" feature for songs a listener doesn´t like, or is tired of.  (Like a rating of "1", or another rating "Please Don´t Play For Me")



I agree wholeheartedly... In fact I've asked for this feature more than once, but the answer has always been negative... In the end I wrote a Greasemonkey script and solved the problem on my own 😅
Imagine rating this song 1/10
Beautiiful, soulful and oh so evocative
 joejennings wrote:



Learn how to use the "skip button".  ...problem solved! ...and then you can spare us from your drivel!


It would be nice if there were an "auto-skip" feature for songs a listener doesn´t like, or is tired of.  (Like a rating of "1", or another rating "Please Don´t Play For Me")
 zinzarin wrote:

What does it matter if they're punk or not?  Why is genre even relevant to music this great (or to any music at all, honestly)?

Genres can be useful in understanding the history and evolution of rock and popular music. Punk wasn't just about no synths, matter of fact, synths just weren't that available when punk started. Punk had an ethos and a general aesthetic like most genres and so did Post-Punk in which Joy Divisions lands. 

Are genres the most important thing in a world? To most, but to a record store they're damn helpful.
Iconic!
 johndawkins wrote:

Maybe it is my attachment to the late 70's fight against inane pop and disco (the war still rages) makes this song refreshing despite the darkness. This was the post-suicide poster song for a truly groundbreaking band. The two songs that I find much better from Joy Division are "Wilderness" and "New Dawn Fades". For those who hate Joy Division's darkness, I would say that everything is not smiley-faced and bubblegum and the beauty in life can be contrasted with the darkness and that beauty can be celebrated and appreciated even more for me with the stark contrast of darkness in the neighboring shadows.

For people who enjoyed this song, try out the tribal drums with an austere lead guitar in "Atrocity Exhibition", the lightness of "Heart and Soul" and give a listen to "Decades" - it is a great song but similar to New Dawn Fades (not nearly as good). 

I would love to hear more Joy Division and early New Order on RP.  



Love this. Reminds me of a quote from the Doctor, "The deep and lovely dark; we'd never see the stars without it."
 joejennings wrote:



Learn how to use the "skip button".  ...problem solved! ...and then you can spare us from your drivel!
"use the skip button"?! 😳   Admittedly, it's there ... but actually using it is not in the spirit of RP. shirley?  
[To be honest I do use it, now and again, but only after I've given at least 3 minutes of my dwindling life, to find out if the song is going blossom into a shocking, dawning beauty that knocks me for 6.  Which does happen also, now and again    😃 ]

 BonzoWiltsUK wrote:

Dreary, repeitive, unimaginative. A firm 2




Learn how to use the "skip button".  ...problem solved! ...and then you can spare us from your drivel!
Dreary, repetitive, unimaginative. A firm 2
 phlattop wrote:
 
 
I wonder how much kids born after 1996 had their music tastes formed or influenced heavily by the likes of American Idol, The Voice, America's Got Talent and the effluent crap out of the Disney factory. I inoculated my kid early with a heavy dose of The Beatles and other great (in my eyes) artists of the 60s-90s, classical and jazz. It worked.



I used to sing my boys to sleep with Beatles (“I’m so tired…”) and Fountains of Wayne (“don’t you want to ride in my Survival Car…we can take the long way home…”
love it.

always liked JD better than new order for some reason.
Fan or not, that opening sequence is stellar! It defines you at an earlier stranger changing time
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Your nic-name?  ...what are YOU good at? ...eh?
 CCSandman wrote:

I urge anyone remotely interested in Joy Division, music in general, or just good movies, to check out the movie Control - released in 2007 - astounding


There is also companion documentary from the same year called "Joy Division" made by Grant Gee which is just as good. Explains why when I saw them as the support band to the Buzzcocks in 1979, he was curled up in a ball at the front of the stage, completely messed up.  
To Ian_and_Annie’s post - BillG : some (a lot of) Stranglers please!!
Joy Division were first introduced to me by a friend in 1986 who was trying to convince me that there was a band even more miserable than The Smiths. He was right! Jump to today and I still love Joy Division and rarely - if ever - listen to Morrissey and The Smiths at all.
I never tire of this. I was the first in my large record shop, sadly long gone, to buy the album. IMO They’re not punk because they’re too sophisticated and they fail the name test, not being rude or crude enough. But punk not having synthesisers is rubbish, as shown by The Stranglers.
 CCSandman wrote:

I urge anyone remotely interested in Joy Division, music in general, or just good movies, to check out the movie Control - released in 2007 - astounding



Yes indeed a great movie.  Really depicts a troubled genius!
 tm wrote:

thank you Billg and Rebecca… RP all day long



Right on.
thank you Billg and Rebecca… RP all day long
Absolutely Godlike🙏
Ten plus🏆
I urge anyone remotely interested in Joy Division, music in general, or just good movies, to check out the movie Control - released in 2007 - astounding
Great!!
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Nice, very useful comment.  Express your opinion via a rating.
 CCSandman wrote:

Only a 7.8 rating.... Yikes....



Doing my part to bring to up to a 10.
Great Tune! ...brings back 80s memories.
My first knowledge of this song was the cover by Paul Young in 1983, and I liked it very much.
Years later I found out there was an original, with a haunted, urgent melody that gave it a new feeling -- although the lyrics, of course, were unchanged.

To this day I love both versions. But I have to confess, I still hear Paul Young's voice in my head, even when listening to the Joy Division original.
Even if i don't often listen for Joy anymore, their song have changed my life and had a very deep influence on the music i used to play with friends. It's hard to imagine how their music had influence on the 80's young people, they was a black gem, and many band used to compare themselve to them. They invented a new way of singing, playing bass, battery.
Only a 7.8 rating.... Yikes....
Luv Affair, YVR, 80/81. Wow.
 zinzarin wrote:

Grayson wrote:
The children these days need a lot more rock'cation than I realized. As the always brill Blake Aued of Athens, GA's Flagpole Magazine recently reminded them, "Joy Division, while a great band, are not punk. Punk does not have synthesizers." They need to hear that kinda stuff outta their elders more often. Example: I recently tried to explain Psychedelic Furs value to a John Hughes movie to my 18-year old. Kid looked at me like I was older than dirt under a Jack White mattress.


What does it matter if they're punk or not?  Why is genre even relevant to music this great (or to any music at all, honestly)?

Kind of an minimalist view. Genre represents where it fits music history. It represents where a segment of the culture was at that time. It matters if you value understanding that kind of thing IMHO
Groundbreaking.  Inspired.  Truly modern music - and 41 years old and counting.
Good tune!
wow..look at these ratings. I wonder if Led Zep for example ever has had such an average rating.
 spiggy wrote:

Ian's suicide was a contributing factor to this song's "popularity" but only a small part. I come from Ireland, and if one asked anyone there to name a Joy Division song, they would struggle. But...but! The song named top of the top 1000 songs of all time last Christmas on the local radio station Phantom FM (sort of loose equivalent of RPI) - it was this song. Those same people who would not be able to name a Joy Division song would know this song well... 

Maybe it is just the darkness that associates with much of the soul-searching early 80s music output from UK that appeals and endures 
Gods, I miss Phantom. I know we have 8Radio now, but its not quite the same.

 neotrogg wrote:

What a Fantastic name for a group!



REALLY?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
 jonahboo wrote:

this


AGREED
 Grayson wrote:

The children these days need a lot more rock'cation than I realized. As the always brill Blake Aued of Athens, GA's Flagpole Magazine recently reminded them, "Joy Division, while a great band, are not punk. Punk does not have synthesizers." They need to hear that kinda stuff outta their elders more often. Example: I recently tried to explain Psychedelic Furs value to a John Hughes movie to my 18-year old. Kid looked at me like I was older than dirt under a Jack White mattress. 




Most music journalists are a bit lame and just want to court controversy*.
In a few years they end up writing dubious novels or scripts for sitcoms.

* a bit like this comment. I'm nothing if not self aware...
Favorite Joy Division song RPers?

Probably Transmission for me
Love this one. And got my 9 month old baby bouncing. Pleased she has good taste.
I was wondering why I was suddenldy feeling anxious, nervous and bad.
Then I realized  it was Joy Division.
 SmackDaddy wrote:

Blue Monday is a New Order song and I'd rather hear that than JoniMitchellFleetwoodMacPInkFloydBobDylanJethroTull eight times a day.
 
I'd add to your list Peter Gabriel, Radiohead and some other abominations that go on RP on repeat XY times a day.
 neotrogg wrote:
What a Fantastic name for a group!
 
Do you know what it references? Same with New Order?
What a Fantastic name for a group!
 rosehearty973 wrote:
I enjoy Joy Division, so understand why Blue Monday is not on here, poss overplayed on the regular radio streams.....
However, for those others who enjoy JD, try this version of Blue Monday ... by Orkestra Obsolete 
#

Ok, I tried to post a link to that version, but just google, Orkestra Obsolete BBC Blue Monday :)



 
Blue Monday is a New Order song and I'd rather hear that than JoniMitchellFleetwoodMacPInkFloydBobDylanJethroTull eight times a day.
 Grayson wrote:
The children these days need a lot more rock'cation than I realized. As the always brill Blake Aued of Athens, GA's Flagpole Magazine recently reminded them, "Joy Division, while a great band, are not punk. Punk does not have synthesizers." They need to hear that kinda stuff outta their elders more often. Example: I recently tried to explain Psychedelic Furs value to a John Hughes movie to my 18-year old. Kid looked at me like I was older than dirt under a Jack White mattress. 
 
Disagree. Punk wasn't defined by whether or not synthesizers were used. That's an MTV classification. Punk was born of a DIY ethos and contempt for the corporate rock and disco saturating the airwaves. There's more to Joy Div than this song. 
 Andrew_C wrote:
Music to slit your wrists by...
 
Comment to SMH at...
Why is it so difficult to send RP money?
I can't listen to this - or look at a cup of tea - quite the same way since seeing '24 Hour Party People' and it's depiction of Ian Curtis's suicide.
Don't know how it pulls its rabbit out of its hat, but this song gets so worse and worse with every play. 
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 Grayson wrote:
The children these days need a lot more rock'cation than I realized. As the always brill Blake Aued of Athens, GA's Flagpole Magazine recently reminded them, "Joy Division, while a great band, are not punk. Punk does not have synthesizers." They need to hear that kinda stuff outta their elders more often. Example: I recently tried to explain Psychedelic Furs value to a John Hughes movie to my 18-year old. Kid looked at me like I was older than dirt under a Jack White mattress. 
 
I wonder how much kids born after 1996 had their music tastes formed or influenced heavily by the likes of American Idol, The Voice, America's Got Talent and the effluent crap out of the Disney factory. I inoculated my kid early with a heavy dose of The Beatles and other great (in my eyes) artists of the 60s-90s, classical and jazz. It worked.

 Grayson wrote:
The children these days need a lot more rock'cation than I realized. As the always brill Blake Aued of Athens, GA's Flagpole Magazine recently reminded them, "Joy Division, while a great band, are not punk. Punk does not have synthesizers." They need to hear that kinda stuff outta their elders more often. Example: I recently tried to explain Psychedelic Furs value to a John Hughes movie to my 18-year old. Kid looked at me like I was older than dirt under a Jack White mattress. 
 
What does it matter if they're punk or not?  Why is genre even relevant to music this great (or to any music at all, honestly)?
 Grayson wrote:
The children these days need a lot more rock'cation than I realized. As the always brill Blake Aued of Athens, GA's Flagpole Magazine recently reminded them, "Joy Division, while a great band, are not punk. Punk does not have synthesizers." They need to hear that kinda stuff outta their elders more often. Example: I recently tried to explain Psychedelic Furs value to a John Hughes movie to my 18-year old. Kid looked at me like I was older than dirt under a Jack White mattress. 
 

What about when HipHop first came about and they were called "Punks" due to the only clubs that played anything remotely connected to HipHop was punk night clubs!!!
 Grayson wrote:
The children these days need a lot more rock'cation than I realized. As the always brill Blake Aued of Athens, GA's Flagpole Magazine recently reminded them, "Joy Division, while a great band, are not punk. Punk does not have synthesizers." They need to hear that kinda stuff outta their elders more often. Example: I recently tried to explain Psychedelic Furs value to a John Hughes movie to my 18-year old. Kid looked at me like I was older than dirt under a Jack White mattress. 
 
I can empathise. I recently watched Breakfast Club with my sneering, bored 13 year old to the same effect, sigh. 
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The children these days need a lot more rock'cation than I realized. As the always brill Blake Aued of Athens, GA's Flagpole Magazine recently reminded them, "Joy Division, while a great band, are not punk. Punk does not have synthesizers." They need to hear that kinda stuff outta their elders more often. Example: I recently tried to explain Psychedelic Furs value to a John Hughes movie to my 18-year old. Kid looked at me like I was older than dirt under a Jack White mattress. 
I recently downloaded my first complete Joy Division album, a breakthrough since I had stopped listening to pop/rock radio around 1977-ish. at that time I switched entirely to jazz and R&B, as it all seemed such a wasteland (I think it might have been Fleetwood Mac selling theor souls to Satan around that time i.e. "Rumors" that sent me over the edge. Thanks RP for cueing me into the *good stuff* from that era, like G.D and The Cure. 
I enjoy Joy Division, so understand why Blue Monday is not on here, poss overplayed on the regular radio streams.....
However, for those others who enjoy JD, try this version of Blue Monday ... by Orkestra Obsolete 
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 MilesW wrote:
P.S. my post may have been a little harsh - I might have been a bit edgy that day.  But was your post any better?  Sorry again, to anyone who took offense to me not liking Joy Division.  It's just not my thing, but it's nothing personal. 
 
Au contraire.  I don't particularly care that you don't like Joy Division, or this song in particular;  but "You should lose your DJ rights" is very personal, even to those of us who aren't Bill but quite like what he plays**.  While I think VH1 has a tendency to exaggerate, this response was spot on.  And given that 42% of your ratings are 1s and 2s ... well, I think those who suggested you're in the wrong place have a pretty good point.


(**"in general", as should go without saying)
 Steely_D wrote:
This is who The National wants to be.

 
Ha! Spot on.
 quintana wrote:
For a song that's currently rated 7.7 this is quite annoying. Gave it a 4.

 
Ditto that. Gave it a 5.
For a song that's currently rated 7.7 this is quite annoying. Gave it a 4.
JD is one of those ne plus ultra groups that some people will never be able to appreciate.
I prefer the Nouvelle Vague bossa nova cover version.
cat division
This is who The National wants to be.
 MilesW wrote:

Boy oh boy!  Sorry to piss you off... Don't get me wrong - I love RP most of the time, and I'm well aware of the PSD button. But sometimes (as probably for almost all of us) there are a few songs/artists that you just don't like.  I propose a NPA "Never Play Again" function, which would automatically skip the songs that one has rated "1".  That way, you could enjoy Joy Division, and I wouldn't have to hear it.  Wouldn't that make the world a better place?  

P.S. my post may have been a little harsh - I might have been a bit edgy that day.  But was your post any better?  Sorry again, to anyone who took offense to me not liking Joy Division.  It's just not my thing, but it's nothing personal. 

 
Love will tear us apart again!
Ah, love the 80s. Great anti lurve anthem.
 VH1 wrote:

And yours is one of the worst posts here ever. 

You should be kicked out of the membership of RP for this stupid, whiny shite, especially as no one here asked for it! 

There is a PSD button you know, just in case no one told you, so instead of insulting Bill, who is doing a great job here, you could use it.  

Or even better, bugger off! {#Iamwithstupid}
Is this how you propose  "to make the world a better place" as it says in your profile?

With intolerance and stupidity? 
 
Boy oh boy!  Sorry to piss you off... Don't get me wrong - I love RP most of the time, and I'm well aware of the PSD button. But sometimes (as probably for almost all of us) there are a few songs/artists that you just don't like.  I propose a NPA "Never Play Again" function, which would automatically skip the songs that one has rated "1".  That way, you could enjoy Joy Division, and I wouldn't have to hear it.  Wouldn't that make the world a better place?  

P.S. my post may have been a little harsh - I might have been a bit edgy that day.  But was your post any better?  Sorry again, to anyone who took offense to me not liking Joy Division.  It's just not my thing, but it's nothing personal. 
 VH1 wrote:

And yours is one of the worst posts here ever. 

You should be kicked out of the membership of RP for this stupid, whiny shite, especially as no one here asked for it! 

There is a PSD button you know, just in case no one told you, so instead of insulting Bill, who is doing a great job here, you could use it.  

Or even better, bugger off! {#Iamwithstupid}
Is this how you propose  "to make the world a better place" as it says in your profile?

With intolerance and stupidity? 
 

Well said.
I like the word "shite".  Profanity with urbane class. 
I actually like the song. Essential '70s. Way back when yesterday. 

 
 MilesW wrote:
Worst song ever.  You should lose your DJ rights for playing this repetative, whiny crap, especially repeatedly

 



Bhaaahahaaarrrrghhh - troll!
{#Crown}
 MilesW wrote:
Worst song ever.  You should lose your DJ rights for playing this repetative, whiny crap, especially repeatedly

 
Perhaps go listen somewhere else.
8 r.i.p to singer
A great song but there are so many more of theirs that deserve airplay too.
bump up 8 to 9
nice night tonight 

 MilesW wrote:
Worst song ever.  You should lose your DJ rights for playing this repetative, whiny crap, especially repeatedly

 
And yours is one of the worst posts here ever. 

You should be kicked out of the membership of RP for this stupid, whiny shite, especially as no one here asked for it! 

There is a PSD button you know, just in case no one told you, so instead of insulting Bill, who is doing a great job here, you could use it.  

Or even better, bugger off! {#Iamwithstupid}
Is this how you propose  "to make the world a better place" as it says in your profile?

With intolerance and stupidity? 

Worst song ever.  You should lose your DJ rights for playing this repetative, whiny crap, especially repeatedly
In actuality it doesn't seem possible it could work, but if you're in the right frame of mind, Standard Orbit or above, then it frickin kicks it!
8=Most Excellent
 treatment_bound wrote:
YOU ARE TEARING ME APART, JOY DIVISION!!!

The Room

 
It tore me apart back then, and I'm a PSDing now because it is tearing my ears apart now. Can't help but think of a SNL skit every time I hear this.  
YOU ARE TEARING ME APART, JOY DIVISION!!!

The Room
a 10 forever!   {#Music}
  Grammarcop wrote:
Remember Captain and Tennille, "Love, love will keep us together"? The story I heard on the CBC the other day said that this song was written in direct response to Captain and Tennille's bouncy yet insipid hit.
 
Everybody in my mushrooming multitude of galactic presidential campaigns loves this song...  we be dancing like bowlegged gypsy muleskinners...  sex, drugs and rock 'n roll keep us together...  happy 75th birthday to Bob Dylan today...  Grammarcop, we hope life be grand for you and bokey these days...
Never should have left the garage. Headbangingly bad music.
Suprise to hear this song I love it !
Can I mark this as...like...double god like?
Nice{#Bananajam}
is this the original mix?
One of the 10 best songs ever recorded.{#Clap}

Takes me back to early 1980, oh my!
Dark, intense, powerful.

Having said that I think I'll take an espresso.
Great song.  Great lyric.  
 madaxeman wrote:
The worst recording I have ever heard.

 
You've obviously not heard me singing Whiter Shade of Pale in the car.
 thatslongformud wrote:


 
This makes my teeth itch!
There should be an Auto-PSD for this...
The ultimate dreamy anti-love song. 
 Ag3nt0rang3 wrote:
This will always be a ten for me.

 
Same for me ! 
It's OK RP you can play this many times over.
and always -1 for me. What a diverse world we live in! 

Ag3nt0rang3 wrote:
This will always be a ten for me.

 


This will always be a ten for me.
 Tony0600 wrote:
Just don't get it, think it's awful 

 
Me neither
I guess it was mostly a retro-craze, as with Ray Charles, Johnny Cash and Miles Davis. To name a few.
"oh my gawd, he was fantastic! a hero, a legend! outstanding!"
Just don't get it, think it's awful 
Music to slit your wrists by...

On my top 10 of all time...just listened to this last night...odd...
 

Strong to very strong. 
Ian
Joy Division / New Order....one of the three Greatest Of All Time!
 
Substance?  More like Substance abuse.