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And resentment rides high but emotions won't grow
And we're changing our ways, taking different roads
Then love, love will tear us apart again
Love, love will tear us apart again
Why is the bedroom so cold? You've turned away on your side
Is my timing that flawed? Our respect runs so dry
Yet there's still this appeal that we've kept through our lives
But love, love will tear us apart again
Love, love will tear us apart again
You cry out in your sleep, all my failings exposed
And there's a taste in my mouth as desperation takes hold
Just that something so good just can't function no more
But love, love will tear us apart again
Love, love will tear us apart again
Love, love will tear us apart again
Love, love will tear us apart again
Your nic-name? ...what are YOU good at? ...eh?
banging your wife
It would be nice if there were an "auto-skip" feature for songs a listener doesn´t like, or is tired of. (Like a rating of "1", or another rating "Please Don´t Play For Me")
I agree wholeheartedly... In fact I've asked for this feature more than once, but the answer has always been negative... In the end I wrote a Greasemonkey script and solved the problem on my own 😅
Beautiiful, soulful and oh so evocative
Learn how to use the "skip button". ...problem solved! ...and then you can spare us from your drivel!
It would be nice if there were an "auto-skip" feature for songs a listener doesn´t like, or is tired of. (Like a rating of "1", or another rating "Please Don´t Play For Me")
What does it matter if they're punk or not? Why is genre even relevant to music this great (or to any music at all, honestly)?
Genres can be useful in understanding the history and evolution of rock and popular music. Punk wasn't just about no synths, matter of fact, synths just weren't that available when punk started. Punk had an ethos and a general aesthetic like most genres and so did Post-Punk in which Joy Divisions lands.
Are genres the most important thing in a world? To most, but to a record store they're damn helpful.
Maybe it is my attachment to the late 70's fight against inane pop and disco (the war still rages) makes this song refreshing despite the darkness. This was the post-suicide poster song for a truly groundbreaking band. The two songs that I find much better from Joy Division are "Wilderness" and "New Dawn Fades". For those who hate Joy Division's darkness, I would say that everything is not smiley-faced and bubblegum and the beauty in life can be contrasted with the darkness and that beauty can be celebrated and appreciated even more for me with the stark contrast of darkness in the neighboring shadows.
For people who enjoyed this song, try out the tribal drums with an austere lead guitar in "Atrocity Exhibition", the lightness of "Heart and Soul" and give a listen to "Decades" - it is a great song but similar to New Dawn Fades (not nearly as good).
I would love to hear more Joy Division and early New Order on RP.
Love this. Reminds me of a quote from the Doctor, "The deep and lovely dark; we'd never see the stars without it."
Learn how to use the "skip button". ...problem solved! ...and then you can spare us from your drivel!
[To be honest I do use it, now and again, but only after I've given at least 3 minutes of my dwindling life, to find out if the song is going blossom into a shocking, dawning beauty that knocks me for 6. Which does happen also, now and again 😃 ]
Dreary, repeitive, unimaginative. A firm 2
Learn how to use the "skip button". ...problem solved! ...and then you can spare us from your drivel!
I wonder how much kids born after 1996 had their music tastes formed or influenced heavily by the likes of American Idol, The Voice, America's Got Talent and the effluent crap out of the Disney factory. I inoculated my kid early with a heavy dose of The Beatles and other great (in my eyes) artists of the 60s-90s, classical and jazz. It worked.
I used to sing my boys to sleep with Beatles (“I’m so tired…”) and Fountains of Wayne (“don’t you want to ride in my Survival Car…we can take the long way home…”
always liked JD better than new order for some reason.
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Your nic-name? ...what are YOU good at? ...eh?
I urge anyone remotely interested in Joy Division, music in general, or just good movies, to check out the movie Control - released in 2007 - astounding
There is also companion documentary from the same year called "Joy Division" made by Grant Gee which is just as good. Explains why when I saw them as the support band to the Buzzcocks in 1979, he was curled up in a ball at the front of the stage, completely messed up.
I urge anyone remotely interested in Joy Division, music in general, or just good movies, to check out the movie Control - released in 2007 - astounding
Yes indeed a great movie. Really depicts a troubled genius!
thank you Billg and Rebecca… RP all day long
Right on.
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Nice, very useful comment. Express your opinion via a rating.
Only a 7.8 rating.... Yikes....
Doing my part to bring to up to a 10.
Years later I found out there was an original, with a haunted, urgent melody that gave it a new feeling -- although the lyrics, of course, were unchanged.
To this day I love both versions. But I have to confess, I still hear Paul Young's voice in my head, even when listening to the Joy Division original.
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The children these days need a lot more rock'cation than I realized. As the always brill Blake Aued of Athens, GA's Flagpole Magazine recently reminded them, "Joy Division, while a great band, are not punk. Punk does not have synthesizers." They need to hear that kinda stuff outta their elders more often. Example: I recently tried to explain Psychedelic Furs value to a John Hughes movie to my 18-year old. Kid looked at me like I was older than dirt under a Jack White mattress.
What does it matter if they're punk or not? Why is genre even relevant to music this great (or to any music at all, honestly)?
Kind of an minimalist view. Genre represents where it fits music history. It represents where a segment of the culture was at that time. It matters if you value understanding that kind of thing IMHO
Ian's suicide was a contributing factor to this song's "popularity" but only a small part. I come from Ireland, and if one asked anyone there to name a Joy Division song, they would struggle. But...but! The song named top of the top 1000 songs of all time last Christmas on the local radio station Phantom FM (sort of loose equivalent of RPI) - it was this song. Those same people who would not be able to name a Joy Division song would know this song well...
Maybe it is just the darkness that associates with much of the soul-searching early 80s music output from UK that appeals and endures
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The children these days need a lot more rock'cation than I realized. As the always brill Blake Aued of Athens, GA's Flagpole Magazine recently reminded them, "Joy Division, while a great band, are not punk. Punk does not have synthesizers." They need to hear that kinda stuff outta their elders more often. Example: I recently tried to explain Psychedelic Furs value to a John Hughes movie to my 18-year old. Kid looked at me like I was older than dirt under a Jack White mattress.
Most music journalists are a bit lame and just want to court controversy*.
In a few years they end up writing dubious novels or scripts for sitcoms.
* a bit like this comment. I'm nothing if not self aware...
Probably Transmission for me
Then I realized it was Joy Division.
Blue Monday is a New Order song and I'd rather hear that than JoniMitchellFleetwoodMacPInkFloydBobDylanJethroTull eight times a day.
I'd add to your list Peter Gabriel, Radiohead and some other abominations that go on RP on repeat XY times a day.
Do you know what it references? Same with New Order?
However, for those others who enjoy JD, try this version of Blue Monday ... by Orkestra Obsolete
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Ok, I tried to post a link to that version, but just google, Orkestra Obsolete BBC Blue Monday :)
Blue Monday is a New Order song and I'd rather hear that than JoniMitchellFleetwoodMacPInkFloydBobDylanJethroTull eight times a day.
Disagree. Punk wasn't defined by whether or not synthesizers were used. That's an MTV classification. Punk was born of a DIY ethos and contempt for the corporate rock and disco saturating the airwaves. There's more to Joy Div than this song.
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I wonder how much kids born after 1996 had their music tastes formed or influenced heavily by the likes of American Idol, The Voice, America's Got Talent and the effluent crap out of the Disney factory. I inoculated my kid early with a heavy dose of The Beatles and other great (in my eyes) artists of the 60s-90s, classical and jazz. It worked.
What does it matter if they're punk or not? Why is genre even relevant to music this great (or to any music at all, honestly)?
What about when HipHop first came about and they were called "Punks" due to the only clubs that played anything remotely connected to HipHop was punk night clubs!!!
I can empathise. I recently watched Breakfast Club with my sneering, bored 13 year old to the same effect, sigh.
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However, for those others who enjoy JD, try this version of Blue Monday ... by Orkestra Obsolete
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Ok, I tried to post a link to that version, but just google, Orkestra Obsolete BBC Blue Monday :)
Au contraire. I don't particularly care that you don't like Joy Division, or this song in particular; but "You should lose your DJ rights" is very personal, even to those of us who aren't Bill but quite like what he plays**. While I think VH1 has a tendency to exaggerate, this response was spot on. And given that 42% of your ratings are 1s and 2s ... well, I think those who suggested you're in the wrong place have a pretty good point.
(**"in general", as should go without saying)
Ha! Spot on.
Ditto that. Gave it a 5.
Just gonna leave this here:
Boy oh boy! Sorry to piss you off... Don't get me wrong - I love RP most of the time, and I'm well aware of the PSD button. But sometimes (as probably for almost all of us) there are a few songs/artists that you just don't like. I propose a NPA "Never Play Again" function, which would automatically skip the songs that one has rated "1". That way, you could enjoy Joy Division, and I wouldn't have to hear it. Wouldn't that make the world a better place?
P.S. my post may have been a little harsh - I might have been a bit edgy that day. But was your post any better? Sorry again, to anyone who took offense to me not liking Joy Division. It's just not my thing, but it's nothing personal.
Love will tear us apart again!
And yours is one of the worst posts here ever.
You should be kicked out of the membership of RP for this stupid, whiny shite, especially as no one here asked for it!
There is a PSD button you know, just in case no one told you, so instead of insulting Bill, who is doing a great job here, you could use it.
Or even better, bugger off!
Is this how you propose "to make the world a better place" as it says in your profile?
With intolerance and stupidity?
Boy oh boy! Sorry to piss you off... Don't get me wrong - I love RP most of the time, and I'm well aware of the PSD button. But sometimes (as probably for almost all of us) there are a few songs/artists that you just don't like. I propose a NPA "Never Play Again" function, which would automatically skip the songs that one has rated "1". That way, you could enjoy Joy Division, and I wouldn't have to hear it. Wouldn't that make the world a better place?
P.S. my post may have been a little harsh - I might have been a bit edgy that day. But was your post any better? Sorry again, to anyone who took offense to me not liking Joy Division. It's just not my thing, but it's nothing personal.
And yours is one of the worst posts here ever.
You should be kicked out of the membership of RP for this stupid, whiny shite, especially as no one here asked for it!
There is a PSD button you know, just in case no one told you, so instead of insulting Bill, who is doing a great job here, you could use it.
Or even better, bugger off!
Is this how you propose "to make the world a better place" as it says in your profile?
With intolerance and stupidity?
Well said.
I like the word "shite". Profanity with urbane class.
I actually like the song. Essential '70s. Way back when yesterday.
Bhaaahahaaarrrrghhh - troll!
Perhaps go listen somewhere else.
nice night tonight
And yours is one of the worst posts here ever.
You should be kicked out of the membership of RP for this stupid, whiny shite, especially as no one here asked for it!
There is a PSD button you know, just in case no one told you, so instead of insulting Bill, who is doing a great job here, you could use it.
Or even better, bugger off!
Is this how you propose "to make the world a better place" as it says in your profile?
With intolerance and stupidity?
Jupiter would be better, less chance of him escaping
It tore me apart back then, and I'm a PSDing now because it is tearing my ears apart now. Can't help but think of a SNL skit every time I hear this.
Everybody in my elevator wishes we could teleport the Trump monster to Pluto... we love this song... hope life is grand for you right now, kcar... "Curtis, who suffered from epilepsy and depression, committed suicide on 18 May 1980, on the eve of Joy Division's first North American tour, resulting in the band's dissolution and the subsequent formation of New Order. Curtis was known for his bass-baritone voice, dance style, and songwriting filled with imagery of desolation, emptiness and alienation."
Could you teleport Trump to Mars and make him Dog-To-Be-Caught for Life? That'd be great.
Everybody in my mushrooming multitude of galactic presidential campaigns loves this song... we be dancing like bowlegged gypsy muleskinners... sex, drugs and rock 'n roll keep us together... happy 75th birthday to Bob Dylan today... Grammarcop, we hope life be grand for you and bokey these days...
Takes me back to early 1980, oh my!
Having said that I think I'll take an espresso.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/qnLLpZgBW92dSrV2mmGyCb/new-order-olden-style-a-unique-take-on-blue-monday
You've obviously not heard me singing Whiter Shade of Pale in the car.
This makes my teeth itch!
Same for me !
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Me neither
I guess it was mostly a retro-craze, as with Ray Charles, Johnny Cash and Miles Davis. To name a few.
"oh my gawd, he was fantastic! a hero, a legend! outstanding!"
A heartbreaking song and delivery that is soooo relatable.
10 all day long!