Joe Strummer & The Mescaleros — Johnny Appleseed
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Lord, there goes Johnny Appleseed
He might pass by in the hour of need
There's a lot of souls
Ain't drinking from no well locked in a factory
Hey, look there goes
Hey, look there goes
If you're after getting the honey
Then you don't go killing all the bees
Lorde, there goes Martin Luther King
Notice how the door closes when the chimes of freedom ring
I hear what you're saying, I hear what he's saying
Is what was true now no longer so
Hey, I hear what you're saying
Hey, I hear what he's saying
If you're after getting the honey
Then you don't go killing all the bees
What the people are saying
And we know every road - go, go
What the people are saying
There ain't no berries on the trees
Let the summertime sun
Fall on the apple, fall on the apple
Lord, there goes a Buick 49
Black sheep of the angels riding, riding down the line
We think there is a soul, we don't know
That soul is hard to find
Hey, down along the road
Hey, down along the road
If you're after getting the honey
Then you don't go killing all the bees
Hey, it's what the people are saying, it's what the people are saying
Hey, there ain't no berries on the trees
Hey, that's what the people are saying
No berries on the trees
You're checking out the honey, baby
You had to go killin' all the bees
He might pass by in the hour of need
There's a lot of souls
Ain't drinking from no well locked in a factory
Hey, look there goes
Hey, look there goes
If you're after getting the honey
Then you don't go killing all the bees
Lorde, there goes Martin Luther King
Notice how the door closes when the chimes of freedom ring
I hear what you're saying, I hear what he's saying
Is what was true now no longer so
Hey, I hear what you're saying
Hey, I hear what he's saying
If you're after getting the honey
Then you don't go killing all the bees
What the people are saying
And we know every road - go, go
What the people are saying
There ain't no berries on the trees
Let the summertime sun
Fall on the apple, fall on the apple
Lord, there goes a Buick 49
Black sheep of the angels riding, riding down the line
We think there is a soul, we don't know
That soul is hard to find
Hey, down along the road
Hey, down along the road
If you're after getting the honey
Then you don't go killing all the bees
Hey, it's what the people are saying, it's what the people are saying
Hey, there ain't no berries on the trees
Hey, that's what the people are saying
No berries on the trees
You're checking out the honey, baby
You had to go killin' all the bees
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John from Cincinnati!
principekd wrote:
Fun fact: I'm allergic to bees - wasps & yellow jackets especially - my wife really doesn't like seeing the angry way a sting will blow up if I'm not careful enough around them (with good reason - thank you, honey, for caring)...
Yellow jackets are wasps. Wasps are not bees.
Fun fact: I'm allergic to bees - wasps & yellow jackets especially - my wife really doesn't like seeing the angry way a sting will blow up if I'm not careful enough around them (with good reason - thank you, honey, for caring)...
Yellow jackets are wasps. Wasps are not bees.
Hey...
Is a "Mescaleros" related to "Mescaline"?
Is a "Mescaleros" related to "Mescaline"?
I could not stand The Clash, but with the Mescaleros Joe really displayed his talent.
cmrump wrote:
Then there's "Bloodbuzz Ohio" by The National, which came out 10 years later. Also rockin'
And don't forget "Honey Bee" by Tom Petty.
Then there's "Bloodbuzz Ohio" by The National, which came out 10 years later. Also rockin'
And don't forget "Honey Bee" by Tom Petty.
Lordy, I have tried so many times to 'get' Strummer and The Clash but, with very few exceptions I just hear a bloke shouting.
maxjboxer wrote:
That's why their over-rated songs still sound great and relevant 30 years later.
This comment about an overrated comment is underrated.
That's why their over-rated songs still sound great and relevant 30 years later.
This comment about an overrated comment is underrated.
Grammarcop wrote:
Then there's "Bloodbuzz Ohio" by The National, which came out 10 years later. Also rockin'
Seriously, who thought there would ever be a rockin' song about bees?
Then there's "Bloodbuzz Ohio" by The National, which came out 10 years later. Also rockin'
Strummer was a complete amateur in terms of his vocal and instrumental abilities but boy did he love music. Joe would have made a great dj.
Loved, John from Cincinnati!
idiot_wind wrote:
Au contraire, mon frere. It must be a Fuji!
i say, go with the honey crisps
they cost more but have much flavor and have long shelf life
Au contraire, mon frere. It must be a Fuji!
Ah the theme song from John From Cincinnati. Tried to give that show a chance, but after several episodes in it started feeling kind of shallow.
Nice theme song though. Sounds a bit like a pop version of The Clash.
i say, go with the honey crisps
they cost more but have much flavor and have long shelf life
they cost more but have much flavor and have long shelf life
Personally, I think that "Willesden To Cricklewood" is a marvelous little gem that would rightfully deserve its place on The Mellow Mix.
Grammarcop wrote:
"Lorde, there goes Martin Luther King
Notice how the door closes when the chimes of freedom ring
I hear what you're saying, I hear what he's saying
Is what was true now no longer so"
Ain't only about bees...
c.
Seriously, who thought there would ever be a rockin' song about bees?
"Lorde, there goes Martin Luther King
Notice how the door closes when the chimes of freedom ring
I hear what you're saying, I hear what he's saying
Is what was true now no longer so"
Ain't only about bees...
c.
2Hawks wrote:
Something about bees is just ...right. I don't know where the feeling comes from, or why, but that doesn't really matter, does it?
I kept bees for years, and served as an apiary inspector during and after college; nearly 20 years. So many different personalities in the different hives.
A US Beekeeper, who still loves bees.
Fun fact: I'm allergic to bees - wasps & yellow jackets especially - my wife really doesn't like seeing the angry way a sting will blow up if I'm not careful enough around them (with good reason - thank you, honey, for caring). But I find them absolutely fascinating, sometimes mesmerizing, especially if it's a whole host of different winged, buzzing critters doing their work on an especially fragrant bush or tree - yeah, the stings hurt, but their focus, their single-minded drive... they almost don't even seem to notice me (mostly!) They're really incredible.
I also think this song is pretty incredible. Have loved it for years. Thanks, Joe!~
Something about bees is just ...right. I don't know where the feeling comes from, or why, but that doesn't really matter, does it?
I kept bees for years, and served as an apiary inspector during and after college; nearly 20 years. So many different personalities in the different hives.
A US Beekeeper, who still loves bees.
Fun fact: I'm allergic to bees - wasps & yellow jackets especially - my wife really doesn't like seeing the angry way a sting will blow up if I'm not careful enough around them (with good reason - thank you, honey, for caring). But I find them absolutely fascinating, sometimes mesmerizing, especially if it's a whole host of different winged, buzzing critters doing their work on an especially fragrant bush or tree - yeah, the stings hurt, but their focus, their single-minded drive... they almost don't even seem to notice me (mostly!) They're really incredible.
I also think this song is pretty incredible. Have loved it for years. Thanks, Joe!~
Loved Joe Strummer and his post-Clash work with the Mescaleros. Interesting music - some Paul Simon in the way he brought global sounds and themes into his work. He was unique. Gone too soon.
Happy day after International Clash Day!
Excellent!!!
SpinyNorma wrote:
Something about bees is just ...right. I don't know where the feeling comes from, or why, but that doesn't really matter, does it?
I kept bees for years, and served as an apiary inspector during and after college; nearly 20 years. So many different personalities in the different hives.
A US Beekeeper, who still loves bees.
'If you're after getting the honey, then you don't go killing all the bees'.
Wise words from Uncle Joe. Bees ROCK!
Signed,
A UK Beekeeper who loves her girls to atoms xx.
Something about bees is just ...right. I don't know where the feeling comes from, or why, but that doesn't really matter, does it?
I kept bees for years, and served as an apiary inspector during and after college; nearly 20 years. So many different personalities in the different hives.
A US Beekeeper, who still loves bees.
'If you're after getting the honey, then you don't go killing all the bees'.
Wise words from Uncle Joe. Bees ROCK!
Signed,
A UK Beekeeper who loves her girls to atoms xx.
Wise words from Uncle Joe. Bees ROCK!
Signed,
A UK Beekeeper who loves her girls to atoms xx.
So sad that we lost him at only 50 yo. Makes you wonder what more he would have produced musically if he'd lived longer.
this is a peppy song
Spring is coming
we need to get more peppy
Spring is coming
we need to get more peppy
love this!
ccdowenye wrote:
I hear what you're sayin
Heard this song for the first time watching " John from Cincinnati". Love this song. It always make me smile. I've got my eye on you!
I hear what you're sayin
anisbet wrote:
Always wished there were more episodes of John from Cincinnati, such an interesting show. And of course wish we had more of Joe....
I, like others, heard this song as a theme song for "John in Cincinnati"...a very weird and cool TV series...just like the song
Always wished there were more episodes of John from Cincinnati, such an interesting show. And of course wish we had more of Joe....
R.I.P., Joe. You are one of the good ones....
I am so seriously enjoying the jams. 🔥
Grammarcop wrote:
Let me direct you to Caribou: Bees
Seriously, who thought there would ever be a rockin' song about bees?
Let me direct you to Caribou: Bees
Strummer and the Mescaleros were developing a joyous global discography like noone elses. The lyrics on those tracks are amazing! And the music was a cross-cultural jam. RIP Joe. You done good.
Yes. More.
I, like others, heard this song as a theme song for "John in Cincinnati"...a very weird and cool TV series...just like the song
7 down to 5
Godspeed Joe Strummer (21 August 1952 – 22 December 2002)
16 years today since his untimely passing at 49
16 years today since his untimely passing at 49
Festif et engagé, Joe Strummer reste d'actualité.
J'adore
J'adore
Every time I hear this it makes me sad we never got a second season of John from Cincinnati. Such a cool show.
dimar wrote:
I'm sorry sorry that you lost your friend. Music is funny like that. It's amazing how deeply it can touch you.
This song is fantastic, but it sounds so much like a musician friend of mine who is no longer with us, that it haunts me every time I hear it.
I'm sorry sorry that you lost your friend. Music is funny like that. It's amazing how deeply it can touch you.
Nobody else home. CRANK IT!
notftpdoug wrote:
I wish they would do another season. But like it is with Strummer - just appreciate what we got.
yea....John From Cincinnati, under-appreciated, genius, and not for all tastes.
I wish they would do another season. But like it is with Strummer - just appreciate what we got.
Segue wrote:
Like them or not, they reflected the doom and gloom of 70's Britain.
never liked the clash. don't like this. good bits don't balance the annoying, pretentious bs. sorry.
Like them or not, they reflected the doom and gloom of 70's Britain.
never liked the clash. don't like this. good bits don't balance the annoying, pretentious bs. sorry.
This song is fantastic, but it sounds so much like a musician friend of mine who is no longer with us, that it haunts me every time I hear it.
Fantastic track; always found similarities to Bombadil, especially their hit 'Cavaliers Har Hum', which shockingly to me is not on the RP catalog. I have submitted it however, in effort to correct this subjective blunder of varying degrees of severity!
yea....John From Cincinnati, under-appreciated, genius, and not for all tastes.
Webfoot wrote:
I love when something is called "over-rated" or "over-priced." Very funny.
Yeah, as if it were an objective scientific fact or something.
I love when something is called "over-rated" or "over-priced." Very funny.
Yeah, as if it were an objective scientific fact or something.
Heard this song for the first time watching " John from Cincinnati". Love this song. It always make me smile. I've got my eye on you!
carlos65 wrote:
Clash, and Strummer very over-rated. Some decent tunes though.
I love when something is called "over-rated" or "over-priced." Very funny.
Clash, and Strummer very over-rated. Some decent tunes though.
I love when something is called "over-rated" or "over-priced." Very funny.
tulfan wrote:
The Ramones were like a bubble-gum form of "punk" compared to Iggy and the Stooges who were "punk" more than a full decade before the Ramones. Not to mention the MC5...Perhaps it's a regional thing but I never included the Ramones when discussing real punk music.
The Stooges preceded The Ramones by about 7 years, not "more than a full decade". True, though, Iggy was a major influence of what would later be called "punk rock". Perhaps it is a regional thing though.
The Ramones were like a bubble-gum form of "punk" compared to Iggy and the Stooges who were "punk" more than a full decade before the Ramones. Not to mention the MC5...Perhaps it's a regional thing but I never included the Ramones when discussing real punk music.
The Stooges preceded The Ramones by about 7 years, not "more than a full decade". True, though, Iggy was a major influence of what would later be called "punk rock". Perhaps it is a regional thing though.
Happy Earth Day!
Seriously, who thought there would ever be a rockin' song about bees?
Tippster wrote:
Why would you subject yourself to that again?
Reminds me to watch "John from Cincinnati" again.
Why would you subject yourself to that again?
Damn! Working in the quiet room at the local library right now...
I'm sure everybody else in the house can hear me singing along like an idiot, but I don't care. There are just some songs ...
I miss Joe.
this has a "psycho killer" beginning
wish i could spell quest ka say
wish i could spell quest ka say
It's ok to through in our 2cents worth, but Bill knows exactly what he's doin. Just let the man do what God has so graciously gifted him to do
Reminds me to watch "John from Cincinnati" again.
carlos65 wrote:
Clash, and Strummer very over-rated. Some decent tunes though.
That's why their over-rated songs still sound great and relevant 30 years later.
Clash, and Strummer very over-rated. Some decent tunes though.
That's why their over-rated songs still sound great and relevant 30 years later.
Love this song, but why 5 times more plays in the last 30 days than 10.15 on a Saturday Night?
OK - just HAVE TO chime in now - this is really getting over-played on RP. I'm no longer enjoying it.... 
Love love love this song. Here is our most humble cover of it: https://www.amyjackson.cc/music/johnnyappleseed.wav
Most most humble for the local beekeepers association ... :)
Most most humble for the local beekeepers association ... :)
tulfan wrote:
The Ramones were like a bubble-gum form of "punk" compared to Iggy and the Stooges who were "punk" more than a full decade before the Ramones. Not to mention the MC5...Perhaps it's a regional thing but I never included the Ramones when discussing real punk music.
Iggy? Stooges? Most punk bands were 'all for show' you want to listen to The Macc Lads for a real punk band. Banned from every venue in the UK.
The Ramones were like a bubble-gum form of "punk" compared to Iggy and the Stooges who were "punk" more than a full decade before the Ramones. Not to mention the MC5...Perhaps it's a regional thing but I never included the Ramones when discussing real punk music.
Iggy? Stooges? Most punk bands were 'all for show' you want to listen to The Macc Lads for a real punk band. Banned from every venue in the UK.
Clash, and Strummer very over-rated. Some decent tunes though.
Give Bees a Chance!
lattalo wrote:
You are too young to remember what music was like then. I saw the Ramones live in New York at CBGB's after a friend said I had to see this band. You see Punk Rock didn't exist until the Ramones came along, they were the first. Joey Ramone was a genuis. They just didn't change, I think the bass player didn't want too. So they faded into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
The Ramones were like a bubble-gum form of "punk" compared to Iggy and the Stooges who were "punk" more than a full decade before the Ramones. Not to mention the MC5...Perhaps it's a regional thing but I never included the Ramones when discussing real punk music.
You are too young to remember what music was like then. I saw the Ramones live in New York at CBGB's after a friend said I had to see this band. You see Punk Rock didn't exist until the Ramones came along, they were the first. Joey Ramone was a genuis. They just didn't change, I think the bass player didn't want too. So they faded into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
The Ramones were like a bubble-gum form of "punk" compared to Iggy and the Stooges who were "punk" more than a full decade before the Ramones. Not to mention the MC5...Perhaps it's a regional thing but I never included the Ramones when discussing real punk music.
I was just heading out to fix the garage door. It can wait a sec.
what a great song!
On this day in 1774 John Chapman is born. He was better known as Johnnie Appleseed.
sirdroseph wrote:
Yes, I totally agree with all of that and I do understand The Clash's importance from that standpoint. I just don't think that you can be the "only band that matters" without leaving a much more pronounced musical statement. The main purpose of a band is to play music after all. I suppose that is why although I enjoy some Punk music, as a genre just am not impressed from a purely musical standpoint. But to each his own.
I agree with you, although I learned a good deal from fredriley's post. The 70s and 80s in Britain AFAIK were a lot crazier than they were in the US--stronger inflation, general strikes that roiled the nation, the beginning of Thatcher's unmoderated privatization of industries and war against the unions. I didn't know that the Clash were so important in the UK as part of that class-based war.
I don't think the Clash was part of anything like that in the US, fredriley. Class lines weren't as sharply drawn in the US, and I think most blue collar people over here identified with Bruce Springsteen and acts like that. There was a strong sense during Carter's administration that the US was falling apart--stagflation, soaring oil prices, the Iranian hostage crisis, the fallout of the Vietnam War, our inability to keep the USSR out of Afghanistan, the loss of manufacturing jobs and the decline of the auto industry. I think this was the beginning of the decline of unions in the US in terms of power and popularity.
Reagan for a lot of people brought, as his campaign ads put it, morning again in America. He made it OK to believe in America again and to be patriotic again. People here identified with their country and their government, even though Reagan was selling a pack of lies.
The Clash attracted a lot angry young man types in the US and yes those who thought Reagan was a lot of crap. But I never saw them as one of the main voices in the US against the swing to conservatism in the 80s. I think a lot of their earlier, angrier music was about Britain and aimed at Brits. We didn't know much about Thatcher or what the UK was going through.
As for their music, I liked their anger and energy. "Safe European Home" was like a bomb going off when I first heard it. But I got bored trying to listen to their albums from beginning to end. Some of their more polished tracks like "Straight to Hell" showed that they could really play. But a lot of their stuff was just too ragged for me.
Yes, I totally agree with all of that and I do understand The Clash's importance from that standpoint. I just don't think that you can be the "only band that matters" without leaving a much more pronounced musical statement. The main purpose of a band is to play music after all. I suppose that is why although I enjoy some Punk music, as a genre just am not impressed from a purely musical standpoint. But to each his own.
I agree with you, although I learned a good deal from fredriley's post. The 70s and 80s in Britain AFAIK were a lot crazier than they were in the US--stronger inflation, general strikes that roiled the nation, the beginning of Thatcher's unmoderated privatization of industries and war against the unions. I didn't know that the Clash were so important in the UK as part of that class-based war.
I don't think the Clash was part of anything like that in the US, fredriley. Class lines weren't as sharply drawn in the US, and I think most blue collar people over here identified with Bruce Springsteen and acts like that. There was a strong sense during Carter's administration that the US was falling apart--stagflation, soaring oil prices, the Iranian hostage crisis, the fallout of the Vietnam War, our inability to keep the USSR out of Afghanistan, the loss of manufacturing jobs and the decline of the auto industry. I think this was the beginning of the decline of unions in the US in terms of power and popularity.
Reagan for a lot of people brought, as his campaign ads put it, morning again in America. He made it OK to believe in America again and to be patriotic again. People here identified with their country and their government, even though Reagan was selling a pack of lies.
The Clash attracted a lot angry young man types in the US and yes those who thought Reagan was a lot of crap. But I never saw them as one of the main voices in the US against the swing to conservatism in the 80s. I think a lot of their earlier, angrier music was about Britain and aimed at Brits. We didn't know much about Thatcher or what the UK was going through.
As for their music, I liked their anger and energy. "Safe European Home" was like a bomb going off when I first heard it. But I got bored trying to listen to their albums from beginning to end. Some of their more polished tracks like "Straight to Hell" showed that they could really play. But a lot of their stuff was just too ragged for me.
mikexican wrote:
Couldn't be more wrong. The Clash is so revered because they broke boundaries in music, they took chances and refused to be neatly categorized. Occasionally, the results of those chances were not that interesting, but most times the results were powerful and influential... which is why London Calling is almost always hailed as one of the greatest albums of all time, usually by people with deep and legitimate musical knowledge. LC has a broad variety of songs, most of them outstanding. It's not any sort of 'traditional' punk album or sound, but rather a soaring musical adventure, with some remarkable singles.
The Ramones, on the other hand, were a one-trick pony; their barely two-dimensional sound hardly varies at all, from song to song, album to album. They were indeed a novelty act, just another punk band. They were not even in the same musical galaxy as The Clash. To compare The Ramones to The Clash is tantamount to comparing a Vespa to all the combined forms of high performance race cars.
You are too young to remember what music was like then. I saw the Ramones live in New York at CBGB's after a friend said I had to see this band. You see Punk Rock didn't exist until the Ramones came along, they were the first. Joey Ramone was a genuis. They just didn't change, I think the bass player didn't want too. So they faded into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Couldn't be more wrong. The Clash is so revered because they broke boundaries in music, they took chances and refused to be neatly categorized. Occasionally, the results of those chances were not that interesting, but most times the results were powerful and influential... which is why London Calling is almost always hailed as one of the greatest albums of all time, usually by people with deep and legitimate musical knowledge. LC has a broad variety of songs, most of them outstanding. It's not any sort of 'traditional' punk album or sound, but rather a soaring musical adventure, with some remarkable singles.
The Ramones, on the other hand, were a one-trick pony; their barely two-dimensional sound hardly varies at all, from song to song, album to album. They were indeed a novelty act, just another punk band. They were not even in the same musical galaxy as The Clash. To compare The Ramones to The Clash is tantamount to comparing a Vespa to all the combined forms of high performance race cars.
You are too young to remember what music was like then. I saw the Ramones live in New York at CBGB's after a friend said I had to see this band. You see Punk Rock didn't exist until the Ramones came along, they were the first. Joey Ramone was a genuis. They just didn't change, I think the bass player didn't want too. So they faded into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Thinking about it too...
Zep wrote:
Zep wrote:
9 ==> 10.
9 ==> 10.
easily one of my most favorite LPs ... ever!
The whole album is superb. Well worth the price of admission...
Such a superb song from the great joe,miss you mate..
Simply fun. Good tune...miss you Joe Strummer.
A hu·mon·gous piece of musical material
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. jonahboo wrote:
hah, d'you think Ill get away with giving it to the wife at xmas?............ along with some more PT and that Floyd box set I always wanted to buy. ... her!
I KNOW A LUCKY 10 YEAR OLD WHO'S GETTING THIS FOR NEXT CHRISTMAS:https://www.themusiczoo.com/fender/Joe_Strummer_Telecaster_MZ7192356combo.jpg
hah, d'you think Ill get away with giving it to the wife at xmas?............ along with some more PT and that Floyd box set I always wanted to buy. ... her!
I miss Joe Strummer.
On this day in 1774 John Chapman is born. He was better known as Johnnie Appleseed.
I KNOW A LUCKY 10 YEAR OLD WHO'S GETTING THIS FOR NEXT CHRISTMAS:https://www.themusiczoo.com/fender/Joe_Strummer_Telecaster_MZ7192356combo.jpg
mikec09 wrote:
Yay! Mescaleros! . . . Now I have hope that "The High Road" will pop up during my work day at some point.
Love that one too. Heck, love all the Mescaleros stuff. sirdroseph wrote:
That is the irony, I love all roots music, the simpler the better. I guess it is really too subjective of a thing to put a finger on. BTW, THIS IS STILL ONE OF THE GREATEST SONGS EVAH!!!!!!!
Nyahh.
That is the irony, I love all roots music, the simpler the better. I guess it is really too subjective of a thing to put a finger on. BTW, THIS IS STILL ONE OF THE GREATEST SONGS EVAH!!!!!!!
Nyahh.
Really love this,so sad he went so early but his music will live on,Rock on Joe.
The Clash,
Toot & The Maytals
Richard Thompson
Joe Strummer & The Mescaleros
Aka SuperSet.
Toot & The Maytals
Richard Thompson
Joe Strummer & The Mescaleros
Aka SuperSet.
mikexican wrote:
Couldn't be more wrong. The Clash is so revered because they broke boundaries in music, they took chances and refused to be neatly categorized. Occasionally, the results of those chances were not that interesting, but most times the results were powerful and influential... which is why London Calling is almost always hailed as one of the greatest albums of all time, usually by people with deep and legitimate musical knowledge. LC has a broad variety of songs, most of them outstanding. It's not any sort of 'traditional' punk album or sound, but rather a soaring musical adventure, with some remarkable singles.
The Ramones, on the other hand, were a one-trick pony; their barely two-dimensional sound hardly varies at all, from song to song, album to album. They were indeed a novelty act, just another punk band. They were not even in the same musical galaxy as The Clash. To compare The Ramones to The Clash is tantamount to comparing a Vespa to all the combined forms of high performance race cars.
Either you were quite young at the time, or you chose to forget, but The Ramones broke boundaries, allowing later bands like The Clash to exist. The Ramones were not "just another punk band" - they were one of the original innovators of the genre. They influenced countless acts who would follow.
I agree, though, that The Clash later progressed to be more sophisticated and diverse in their music while The Ramones languished in their familiar sound, but listen to the first Clash album (particularly songs like "White Riot" or "Janie Jones") and say that there is no influence from - or at least resemblance to - The Ramones there. They were very much in the "same galaxy" around 1977 or so. What do you have against Vespas?
Couldn't be more wrong. The Clash is so revered because they broke boundaries in music, they took chances and refused to be neatly categorized. Occasionally, the results of those chances were not that interesting, but most times the results were powerful and influential... which is why London Calling is almost always hailed as one of the greatest albums of all time, usually by people with deep and legitimate musical knowledge. LC has a broad variety of songs, most of them outstanding. It's not any sort of 'traditional' punk album or sound, but rather a soaring musical adventure, with some remarkable singles.
The Ramones, on the other hand, were a one-trick pony; their barely two-dimensional sound hardly varies at all, from song to song, album to album. They were indeed a novelty act, just another punk band. They were not even in the same musical galaxy as The Clash. To compare The Ramones to The Clash is tantamount to comparing a Vespa to all the combined forms of high performance race cars.
Either you were quite young at the time, or you chose to forget, but The Ramones broke boundaries, allowing later bands like The Clash to exist. The Ramones were not "just another punk band" - they were one of the original innovators of the genre. They influenced countless acts who would follow.
I agree, though, that The Clash later progressed to be more sophisticated and diverse in their music while The Ramones languished in their familiar sound, but listen to the first Clash album (particularly songs like "White Riot" or "Janie Jones") and say that there is no influence from - or at least resemblance to - The Ramones there. They were very much in the "same galaxy" around 1977 or so. What do you have against Vespas?
Yay! Mescaleros! . . . Now I have hope that "The High Road" will pop up during my work day at some point.
Love this song and love The Magnificent Seven by The Clash, and love that they were both played within the 3 song set. Who says we can't have rock blocks on RP?!?
Upping the rating to a 9.2 in my books.
Happy Birthday Sept 26th to John Chapman born in 1774. He was better known as Johnny Appleseed.
i love a lot of songs joe strummer did. THIS one, however, is terrible.
I miss Joe
sirdroseph wrote:
Agreed. I play this song constantly.
BTW, this is one of my all time favorite songs........period!! Joe Strummer is a Genius!!
Agreed. I play this song constantly.
mikexican wrote:
Ramones were fun.
Clash are for the ages.
Couldn't be more wrong. The Clash is so revered because they broke boundaries in music, they took chances and refused to be neatly categorized. Occasionally, the results of those chances were not that interesting, but most times the results were powerful and influential... which is why London Calling is almost always hailed as one of the greatest albums of all time, usually by people with deep and legitimate musical knowledge. LC has a broad variety of songs, most of them outstanding. It's not any sort of 'traditional' punk album or sound, but rather a soaring musical adventure, with some remarkable singles.
The Ramones, on the other hand, were a one-trick pony; their barely two-dimensional sound hardly varies at all, from song to song, album to album. They were indeed a novelty act, just another punk band. They were not even in the same musical galaxy as The Clash. To compare The Ramones to The Clash is tantamount to comparing a Vespa to all the combined forms of high performance race cars.
The Ramones, on the other hand, were a one-trick pony; their barely two-dimensional sound hardly varies at all, from song to song, album to album. They were indeed a novelty act, just another punk band. They were not even in the same musical galaxy as The Clash. To compare The Ramones to The Clash is tantamount to comparing a Vespa to all the combined forms of high performance race cars.
Ramones were fun.
Clash are for the ages.
RIP Joe Strummer, such a loss...
sirdroseph wrote:
If you think that is funny, could you explain to me from a musical standpoint just why The Clash is so revered? I think of them in the same way as The Ramones. They were a neat little novelty act, but musically certainly nothing noteworthy or outstanding. Just another punk band.
Couldn't be more wrong. The Clash is so revered because they broke boundaries in music, they took chances and refused to be neatly categorized. Occasionally, the results of those chances were not that interesting, but most times the results were powerful and influential... which is why London Calling is almost always hailed as one of the greatest albums of all time, usually by people with deep and legitimate musical knowledge. LC has a broad variety of songs, most of them outstanding. It's not any sort of 'traditional' punk album or sound, but rather a soaring musical adventure, with some remarkable singles.
The Ramones, on the other hand, were a one-trick pony; their barely two-dimensional sound hardly varies at all, from song to song, album to album. They were indeed a novelty act, just another punk band. They were not even in the same musical galaxy as The Clash. To compare The Ramones to The Clash is tantamount to comparing a Vespa to all the combined forms of high performance race cars.
If you think that is funny, could you explain to me from a musical standpoint just why The Clash is so revered? I think of them in the same way as The Ramones. They were a neat little novelty act, but musically certainly nothing noteworthy or outstanding. Just another punk band.
Couldn't be more wrong. The Clash is so revered because they broke boundaries in music, they took chances and refused to be neatly categorized. Occasionally, the results of those chances were not that interesting, but most times the results were powerful and influential... which is why London Calling is almost always hailed as one of the greatest albums of all time, usually by people with deep and legitimate musical knowledge. LC has a broad variety of songs, most of them outstanding. It's not any sort of 'traditional' punk album or sound, but rather a soaring musical adventure, with some remarkable singles.
The Ramones, on the other hand, were a one-trick pony; their barely two-dimensional sound hardly varies at all, from song to song, album to album. They were indeed a novelty act, just another punk band. They were not even in the same musical galaxy as The Clash. To compare The Ramones to The Clash is tantamount to comparing a Vespa to all the combined forms of high performance race cars.
fredriley wrote:
There's more to being a band than music. Indeed, there's more to music than music. Context is important. Musically, most punk was crap - the Pistols barely managed 5 chords amongst them - but the social movement was crucial to the 70s musically, politically and socially. The Clash stood out because of their political and social commitment, and their sheer brio. They were a part of 70s and early 80s working-class culture at a time of very sharp class division brought about by the Thatcher regime. I don't know if this commitment and culture crossed The Pond ok, though I'd have thought that the US working class was suffering similarly under Reaganomics so I'd expect that it had some resonances.
Some songs by the Dead Kennedys and NOFX come to mind.
There's more to being a band than music. Indeed, there's more to music than music. Context is important. Musically, most punk was crap - the Pistols barely managed 5 chords amongst them - but the social movement was crucial to the 70s musically, politically and socially. The Clash stood out because of their political and social commitment, and their sheer brio. They were a part of 70s and early 80s working-class culture at a time of very sharp class division brought about by the Thatcher regime. I don't know if this commitment and culture crossed The Pond ok, though I'd have thought that the US working class was suffering similarly under Reaganomics so I'd expect that it had some resonances.
Some songs by the Dead Kennedys and NOFX come to mind.
SmackDaddy wrote:
But there is more to music than technical achievement and following the rules. There's a reason we all grew tired of guitar and drum solos in the 70s. This is especially true in rock music. There's are other reasons why 3-chord blues songs can be so damn good.
That is the irony, I love all roots music, the simpler the better. I guess it is really too subjective of a thing to put a finger on. BTW, THIS IS STILL ONE OF THE GREATEST SONGS EVAH!!!!!!!
But there is more to music than technical achievement and following the rules. There's a reason we all grew tired of guitar and drum solos in the 70s. This is especially true in rock music. There's are other reasons why 3-chord blues songs can be so damn good.
That is the irony, I love all roots music, the simpler the better. I guess it is really too subjective of a thing to put a finger on. BTW, THIS IS STILL ONE OF THE GREATEST SONGS EVAH!!!!!!!
sirdroseph wrote:
Yes, I totally agree with all of that and I do understand The Clash's importance from that standpoint. I just don't think that you can be the "only band that matters" without leaving a much more pronounced musical statement. The main purpose of a band is to play music after all. I suppose that is why although I enjoy some Punk music, as a genre just am not impressed from a purely musical standpoint. But to each his own.
But there is more to music than technical achievement and following the rules. There's a reason we all grew tired of guitar and drum solos in the 70s. This is especially true in rock music. There's are other reasons why 3-chord blues songs can be so damn good.
Yes, I totally agree with all of that and I do understand The Clash's importance from that standpoint. I just don't think that you can be the "only band that matters" without leaving a much more pronounced musical statement. The main purpose of a band is to play music after all. I suppose that is why although I enjoy some Punk music, as a genre just am not impressed from a purely musical standpoint. But to each his own.
But there is more to music than technical achievement and following the rules. There's a reason we all grew tired of guitar and drum solos in the 70s. This is especially true in rock music. There's are other reasons why 3-chord blues songs can be so damn good.
BTW, this is one of my all time favorite songs........period!! Joe Strummer is a Genius!!
fredriley wrote:
There's more to being a band than music. Indeed, there's more to music than music. Context is important. Musically, most punk was crap - the Pistols barely managed 5 chords amongst them - but the social movement was crucial to the 70s musically, politically and socially. The Clash stood out because of their political and social commitment, and their sheer brio. They were a part of 70s and early 80s working-class culture at a time of very sharp class division brought about by the Thatcher regime. I don't know if this commitment and culture crossed The Pond ok, though I'd have thought that the US working class was suffering similarly under Reaganomics so I'd expect that it had some resonances.
Musically, they tried many different styles, sometimes with success (Guns of Brixton, for instance), sometimes not, so it's not as if they were one-trick ponies.
The main point is that you can't judge The Clash purely as a band in an ahistorical and apolitical context.
Yes, I totally agree with all of that and I do understand The Clash's importance from that standpoint. I just don't think that you can be the "only band that matters" without leaving a much more pronounced musical statement. The main purpose of a band is to play music after all. I suppose that is why although I enjoy some Punk music, as a genre just am not impressed from a purely musical standpoint. But to each his own.
There's more to being a band than music. Indeed, there's more to music than music. Context is important. Musically, most punk was crap - the Pistols barely managed 5 chords amongst them - but the social movement was crucial to the 70s musically, politically and socially. The Clash stood out because of their political and social commitment, and their sheer brio. They were a part of 70s and early 80s working-class culture at a time of very sharp class division brought about by the Thatcher regime. I don't know if this commitment and culture crossed The Pond ok, though I'd have thought that the US working class was suffering similarly under Reaganomics so I'd expect that it had some resonances.
Musically, they tried many different styles, sometimes with success (Guns of Brixton, for instance), sometimes not, so it's not as if they were one-trick ponies.
The main point is that you can't judge The Clash purely as a band in an ahistorical and apolitical context.
Yes, I totally agree with all of that and I do understand The Clash's importance from that standpoint. I just don't think that you can be the "only band that matters" without leaving a much more pronounced musical statement. The main purpose of a band is to play music after all. I suppose that is why although I enjoy some Punk music, as a genre just am not impressed from a purely musical standpoint. But to each his own.
hallogallo wrote:
On NPR recently there was a long story about the real 'Johnny Appleseed'. Very interesting. He was a real person who planted thousands of apple trees. FACT.
Two facts in one day! Dig.
Love this song!
Joe Strummer kicks ass.
FACT
Joe Strummer kicks ass.
FACT
On NPR recently there was a long story about the real 'Johnny Appleseed'. Very interesting. He was a real person who planted thousands of apple trees. FACT.
Two facts in one day! Dig.
fredriley wrote:
There's more to being a band than music. Indeed, there's more to music than music. Context is important. Musically, most punk was crap - the Pistols barely managed 5 chords amongst them - but the social movement was crucial to the 70s musically, politically and socially. The Clash stood out because of their political and social commitment, and their sheer brio. They were a part of 70s and early 80s working-class culture at a time of very sharp class division brought about by the Thatcher regime. I don't know if this commitment and culture crossed The Pond ok, though I'd have thought that the US working class was suffering similarly under Reaganomics so I'd expect that it had some resonances.
Musically, they tried many different styles, sometimes with success (Guns of Brixton, for instance), sometimes not, so it's not as if they were one-trick ponies.
The main point is that you can't judge The Clash purely as a band in an ahistorical and apolitical context.
Right said Fred! This kind of dialogue is why I love these forums... Makes the occasional claptrap bearable.
There's more to being a band than music. Indeed, there's more to music than music. Context is important. Musically, most punk was crap - the Pistols barely managed 5 chords amongst them - but the social movement was crucial to the 70s musically, politically and socially. The Clash stood out because of their political and social commitment, and their sheer brio. They were a part of 70s and early 80s working-class culture at a time of very sharp class division brought about by the Thatcher regime. I don't know if this commitment and culture crossed The Pond ok, though I'd have thought that the US working class was suffering similarly under Reaganomics so I'd expect that it had some resonances.
Musically, they tried many different styles, sometimes with success (Guns of Brixton, for instance), sometimes not, so it's not as if they were one-trick ponies.
The main point is that you can't judge The Clash purely as a band in an ahistorical and apolitical context.
Right said Fred! This kind of dialogue is why I love these forums... Makes the occasional claptrap bearable.
sirdroseph wrote:
I stand by the statement that The Clash was mediocre. They did not do anything outstanding. They were not bad, but they also were not the only band that matters and deserving of being hailed as one of the best bands ever, musically, they simply just were not.
There's more to being a band than music. Indeed, there's more to music than music. Context is important. Musically, most punk was crap - the Pistols barely managed 5 chords amongst them - but the social movement was crucial to the 70s musically, politically and socially. The Clash stood out because of their political and social commitment, and their sheer brio. They were a part of 70s and early 80s working-class culture at a time of very sharp class division brought about by the Thatcher regime. I don't know if this commitment and culture crossed The Pond ok, though I'd have thought that the US working class was suffering similarly under Reaganomics so I'd expect that it had some resonances.
Musically, they tried many different styles, sometimes with success (Guns of Brixton, for instance), sometimes not, so it's not as if they were one-trick ponies.
The main point is that you can't judge The Clash purely as a band in an ahistorical and apolitical context.
I stand by the statement that The Clash was mediocre. They did not do anything outstanding. They were not bad, but they also were not the only band that matters and deserving of being hailed as one of the best bands ever, musically, they simply just were not.
There's more to being a band than music. Indeed, there's more to music than music. Context is important. Musically, most punk was crap - the Pistols barely managed 5 chords amongst them - but the social movement was crucial to the 70s musically, politically and socially. The Clash stood out because of their political and social commitment, and their sheer brio. They were a part of 70s and early 80s working-class culture at a time of very sharp class division brought about by the Thatcher regime. I don't know if this commitment and culture crossed The Pond ok, though I'd have thought that the US working class was suffering similarly under Reaganomics so I'd expect that it had some resonances.
Musically, they tried many different styles, sometimes with success (Guns of Brixton, for instance), sometimes not, so it's not as if they were one-trick ponies.
The main point is that you can't judge The Clash purely as a band in an ahistorical and apolitical context.
Love this song!
Joe Strummer kicks ass.
FACT
I am starting to really like this song!!!! Sounds fantastic on the 128AAC feed. Sounds like Joe is right here in my office.
you just can't listen to this track too many times. love.
ScottFromWyoming wrote:
If you think that is funny, could you explain to me from a musical standpoint just why The Clash is so revered? I think of them in the same way as The Ramones. They were a neat little novelty act, but musically certainly nothing noteworthy or outstanding. Just another punk band.
If you think that is funny, could you explain to me from a musical standpoint just why The Clash is so revered? I think of them in the same way as The Ramones. They were a neat little novelty act, but musically certainly nothing noteworthy or outstanding. Just another punk band.
HazzeSwede wrote:
And you call yourself a musical snobb..a nobb..at the most !
I stand by the statement that The Clash was mediocre. They did not do anything outstanding. They were not bad, but they also were not the only band that matters and deserving of being hailed as one of the best bands ever, musically, they simply just were not.
And you call yourself a musical snobb..a nobb..at the most !
I stand by the statement that The Clash was mediocre. They did not do anything outstanding. They were not bad, but they also were not the only band that matters and deserving of being hailed as one of the best bands ever, musically, they simply just were not.
This may be a little far afield~but what I'm getting coming through is Larry from the Three Stooges, anyone else?
I think I might even have this whole thing on mp3. Gotta go dig through my archived music..... Love Joe Strummer and his Mescaleros - far ahead of their time.
The late Joe Strummer.
ssshhh...listen!!
"Of all the people in the world...we need this guy more than ever." Albeleo
sirdroseph wrote:
That is because Joe bloomed after he left the Clash and became really great where The Clash was just mediocre.
And you call yourself a musical snobb..a nobb..at the most !
That is because Joe bloomed after he left the Clash and became really great where The Clash was just mediocre.
And you call yourself a musical snobb..a nobb..at the most !
sirdroseph wrote:
That is because Joe bloomed after he left the Clash and became really great where The Clash was just mediocre.
That is because Joe bloomed after he left the Clash and became really great where The Clash was just mediocre.
myersei wrote:
That is because Joe bloomed after he left the Clash and became really great where The Clash was just mediocre.
been listening to this station for about 10 years and have listened to them play this song for about as long. just realized who Joe Strummer is. been a fan of the clash for a while (not a huge fan, but always dug them). man i feel a little stupid.
That is because Joe bloomed after he left the Clash and became really great where The Clash was just mediocre.
I love Joe Strummer... sigh. so great.
Lordy, I have tried so many times to 'get' Strummer and The Clash but, with very few exceptions I just hear a bloke shouting.
And with your post I just see a bloke pounding the keyboard.