Genesis — Mad Man Moon
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Was it summer when the river ran dry,
Or was it just another dam.
When the evil of a snowflake in June
Could still be a source of relief.
O how I love you, I once cried long ago,
But I was the one who decided to go.
To search beyond the final crest,
Though I'd heard it said just birds could dwell so high.
So I pretended to have wings for my arms
And took off in the air.
I flew to places which the clouds never see,
Too close to the deserts of sand,
Where a thousand mirages, the shepherds of lies
Forced me to land and take a disguise.
I would welcome a horse's kick to send me back
If I could find a horse not made of sand.
If this desert's all there'll ever be
Then tell me what becomes of me.
A fall of rain?
That must have been another of your dreams,
A dream of mad man moon.
Hey man,
I'm the sand man.
And boy have I news for you;
They're gonna throw you in gaol
And you know they can't fail
'Cos sand is thicker than blood.
But a prison in sand
Is a haven in hell,
For a gaol can give you a goal
[and a] goal can find you a role
On a muddy pitch in Newcastle,
Where it rains so much
You can't wait for a touch
Of sun and sand, sun and sand...
Within the valley of shadowless death
They pray for thunderclouds and rain,
But to the multitude who stand in the rain
Heaven is where the sun shines.
The grass will be greener till the stems turn to brown
And thoughts will fly higher till the earth brings them down.
Forever caught in desert lands one has to learn
To disbelieve the sea.
If this desert's all there'll ever be
Then tell me what becomes of me.
A fall of rain?
That must have been another of your dreams,
A dream of mad man moon.
Or was it just another dam.
When the evil of a snowflake in June
Could still be a source of relief.
O how I love you, I once cried long ago,
But I was the one who decided to go.
To search beyond the final crest,
Though I'd heard it said just birds could dwell so high.
So I pretended to have wings for my arms
And took off in the air.
I flew to places which the clouds never see,
Too close to the deserts of sand,
Where a thousand mirages, the shepherds of lies
Forced me to land and take a disguise.
I would welcome a horse's kick to send me back
If I could find a horse not made of sand.
If this desert's all there'll ever be
Then tell me what becomes of me.
A fall of rain?
That must have been another of your dreams,
A dream of mad man moon.
Hey man,
I'm the sand man.
And boy have I news for you;
They're gonna throw you in gaol
And you know they can't fail
'Cos sand is thicker than blood.
But a prison in sand
Is a haven in hell,
For a gaol can give you a goal
[and a] goal can find you a role
On a muddy pitch in Newcastle,
Where it rains so much
You can't wait for a touch
Of sun and sand, sun and sand...
Within the valley of shadowless death
They pray for thunderclouds and rain,
But to the multitude who stand in the rain
Heaven is where the sun shines.
The grass will be greener till the stems turn to brown
And thoughts will fly higher till the earth brings them down.
Forever caught in desert lands one has to learn
To disbelieve the sea.
If this desert's all there'll ever be
Then tell me what becomes of me.
A fall of rain?
That must have been another of your dreams,
A dream of mad man moon.
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PLEASE PLAY MORE TUNES FROM THIS ALBUM!! Especially "Dance on a Volcano"! Thank You! 
GREAT!!! I have loved this album since it was released! Thank You RP!
Pre-Gabriel, post-Gabriel: all fodder for more publicity. They would not have made it through the internet today. Nobody cares.
'8' at least. The album is pretty close to '10' IMO.
More importantly, why does every friggin' Genesis song on RP have to become a debate or dissertation on the "pre/post-Gabriel" obsession, or "pre/post Steve Hackett"? The band made great music during and after Peter and Steve, at least for a few albums after Steve left because there were 3 or 4 other members in Genesis, not just Gabriel and Hackett.
Let's not forget that Peter was as big a pop "sell out" with his solo albums (singles actually) in the late 70s to 80s as Phil or Genesis ever were. You couldn't turn on the TV or radio then without hearing Games Without Frontiers, I Go Swimming, Solisbury Hill, Shaking The Tree, Shock The Monkey, Big Time, Sledgehammer, In Your Eyes, Red Rain and so on.
Peter wasn't making prog albums after Genesis. At best you could call it "progressive pop" or "synthpop". Most diehard proggers derided Peter's solo stuff as dreaded yuppie music.
Anyone remember that?
Peter Gabriel had gone that direction - because for one thing it sold records and made royalties.
More importantly, why does every friggin' Genesis song on RP have to become a debate or dissertation on the "pre/post-Gabriel" obsession, or "pre/post Steve Hackett"? The band made great music during and after Peter and Steve, at least for a few albums after Steve left because there were 3 or 4 other members in Genesis, not just Gabriel and Hackett.
Let's not forget that Peter was as big a pop "sell out" with his solo albums (singles actually) in the late 70s to 80s as Phil or Genesis ever were. You couldn't turn on the TV or radio then without hearing Games Without Frontiers, I Go Swimming, Solisbury Hill, Shaking The Tree, Shock The Monkey, Big Time, Sledgehammer, In Your Eyes, Red Rain and so on.
Peter wasn't making prog albums after Genesis. At best you could call it "progressive pop" or "synthpop". Most diehard proggers derided Peter's solo stuff as dreaded yuppie music.
Anyone remember that? Peter Gabriel had gone that direction - because for one thing it sold records and made royalties.
philipr wrote:
I hope this invitation is open to everyone - because I can
"it's awful."
And I mean that in a bad way. Not like these young people you see today who say "bad", meaning "Jolly Good", and "sick", meaning "Absolutely wonderful". I mean "awful", meaning "really awful".
Can you say more ?
I hope this invitation is open to everyone - because I can
"it's awful."
And I mean that in a bad way. Not like these young people you see today who say "bad", meaning "Jolly Good", and "sick", meaning "Absolutely wonderful". I mean "awful", meaning "really awful".
Love this album and everything about the early Genesis. Your right went south not to far after this..
Tippster wrote:
Genesis changed more when Steve Hackett left the band. This album didn't have Gabriel, yet sounds much more like the proggy Genesis than the later pop-oriented stuff.
That's right! But again all the proggy groups made a change in taht time, so I think it has to be seen in the whole context. Even Gabriel and Hackett turned away from classic prog rock in the late 70s (although not making simple pop).
Genesis changed more when Steve Hackett left the band. This album didn't have Gabriel, yet sounds much more like the proggy Genesis than the later pop-oriented stuff.
That's right! But again all the proggy groups made a change in taht time, so I think it has to be seen in the whole context. Even Gabriel and Hackett turned away from classic prog rock in the late 70s (although not making simple pop).
get it?
chris_the_man wrote:
Can you say more ?
Absolute horror this is
Can you say more ?
The only post-Gabriel Genesis album I can stand. Not my favorite piece from it though.
mineralBOB wrote:
Genesis changed more when Steve Hackett left the band. This album didn't have Gabriel, yet sounds much more like the proggy Genesis than the later pop-oriented stuff.
In my opinion this is a great piece of music and all the discussion about Gabriel or Collins or whatever is redundant. If you can except the idea of two different bands (which in fact they were, due to the fact that one charismatic frontman was displaced by another - although big differences in style) and the musical change during that time period (1975-1977, when most of the progrock went down the hill) it is still great and ambitious music and great performance - whether you like it or not!
Genesis changed more when Steve Hackett left the band. This album didn't have Gabriel, yet sounds much more like the proggy Genesis than the later pop-oriented stuff.
In my opinion this is a great piece of music and all the discussion about Gabriel or Collins or whatever is redundant. If you can except the idea of two different bands (which in fact they were, due to the fact that one charismatic frontman was displaced by another - although big differences in style) and the musical change during that time period (1975-1977, when most of the progrock went down the hill) it is still great and ambitious music and great performance - whether you like it or not!
Oh, a rare genesis. Never heard this on commercial media.
I dig it enough for a 7.
I dig it enough for a 7.
Absolute horror this is
Simply beautiful, Tony Banks Was a genius.
Of its time, for me most Genesis from the early 70's has aged badly or is it that as a teenager I didn't recognise it for what it was
johncjohn said:
"Trick of the Tail" and "Then There Were Three" were great post Gabriel albums by Genesis
After that , Genesis went off a cliff.
The similarity between Genesis and Coldplay's career is very striking. Both had a lot of promise at first, but both became sell outs. Both lost touch with music and decided to create pop hits. yuk
But this one is good.
couldn´ agree more with most of that, johnc, only that the cliff (and it was a vertical one, and of gigantic proportions!!) Genesis went off did not met them AFTER "Then There Were Three". with this album, they were already falling down the deep deep abyss
for a really HUGE fan (that´s what i was, then) THEN THERE WERE THREE was absolutely shocking. i remember is was literally crying for hours when i heard the record the first time. out of anger & frustration!
ahhhh: nothing hurts more than betrayed love
"Trick of the Tail" and "Then There Were Three" were great post Gabriel albums by Genesis
After that , Genesis went off a cliff.
The similarity between Genesis and Coldplay's career is very striking. Both had a lot of promise at first, but both became sell outs. Both lost touch with music and decided to create pop hits. yuk
But this one is good.
couldn´ agree more with most of that, johnc, only that the cliff (and it was a vertical one, and of gigantic proportions!!) Genesis went off did not met them AFTER "Then There Were Three". with this album, they were already falling down the deep deep abyss
for a really HUGE fan (that´s what i was, then) THEN THERE WERE THREE was absolutely shocking. i remember is was literally crying for hours when i heard the record the first time. out of anger & frustration!
ahhhh: nothing hurts more than betrayed love
Hadn't heard this since when it came out and a good friend was into Genesis big time, along with Supertramp. Nice.
I've never been a Collins fan...and I'm from the 80's! This is no different.
sajitjacob wrote:
Phil Collins didn't do a lot of singing until after Peter Gabriel left the band, so it's not likely that Gabriel was ever trying to sound like his former drummer.
I could have sworn this was early Gabriel, turns out it was post Gabriel Genesis. So is Collins trying to sound like Gabriel or Visa Versa? Or (as I'd like to believe) did they just have trouble breaking free of the sound they created together. Curious. Boring. Whatever.
Phil Collins didn't do a lot of singing until after Peter Gabriel left the band, so it's not likely that Gabriel was ever trying to sound like his former drummer.
I could have sworn this was early Gabriel, turns out it was post Gabriel Genesis. So is Collins trying to sound like Gabriel or Visa Versa? Or (as I'd like to believe) did they just have trouble breaking free of the sound they created together. Curious. Boring. Whatever.
I never get tired of listening to old Genesis. For about 10 years they were a great band. And then for some reason they went pop and I quit listening.
ddog wrote:
Clearly in the minority..
Are we voting, or expressing an opinion regarding a subjective topic? If the former, you win; if the latter - well. . . let's just say that we all win. . .
Clearly in the minority..
Are we voting, or expressing an opinion regarding a subjective topic? If the former, you win; if the latter - well. . . let's just say that we all win. . .
Classic
Please make it stop!!
Just think back how many years ago this was recorded (and many others of the same genre) and what 'technological recording equipment' was available then and the pleasurable music they could deliver..... in comparison to some of the newer just "Open Can Here and Pour" .
First album sans Gabriel (who I still rate very high in his own right)..... and they did a great job - Timeless......
First album sans Gabriel (who I still rate very high in his own right)..... and they did a great job - Timeless......
Best album of the post-Gabriel Genesis. All downhill from there.
Sasha2001 wrote:
when Hentschel focused Phil on sounding as much like Peter as possible and Steve was still on board EVERYTHING still worked (mostly)...
when Steve left though HELLO THE PHIL COLLINS SHOW
My dirty little secret is that I actually like Genesis sans Gabriel but before the horrible "Invisible Touch." I know, I know, that's heresy around here. But "Three Sides Live represents a fertile period." People seem to forget (or ignore) that most of the best Genesis music with Gabriel, like "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway," was written by the other band members and not Gabriel.
when Hentschel focused Phil on sounding as much like Peter as possible and Steve was still on board EVERYTHING still worked (mostly)...
when Steve left though HELLO THE PHIL COLLINS SHOW
Dribble
bytheway wrote:
This is a great point. I have no doubt this is why I have trouble wrapping my head around the idea of buying individual songs.
I think a lot of these prog rock songs from the 70s were really meant to be heard in the context of the entire record, whether or not they were really thought of as "concept albums." Still, good to hear.
This is a great point. I have no doubt this is why I have trouble wrapping my head around the idea of buying individual songs.
9 to 10
vandal wrote:
Clearly in the minority..
hate it
Clearly in the minority..
Why didn't you introduce entangled. I love it to ...
Love it!
DoctorHooey wrote:
Me 2
I 10'd it.
Me 2
Sasha2001 wrote:
I'm with you that there was some "Peter Gabriel hangover" during which the four remaining did some nice prog-pop work. Things seemed to go downhill over time and horribly wrong once Steve Hackett left. This was a super album and showed a lot of promise for the future. Nice to hear it - I give it an 8.
My dirty little secret is that I actually like Genesis sans Gabriel but before the horrible "Invisible Touch." I know, I know, that's heresy around here. But "Three Sides Live represents a fertile period." People seem to forget (or ignore) that most of the best Genesis music with Gabriel, like "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway," was written by the other band members and not Gabriel.
I'm with you that there was some "Peter Gabriel hangover" during which the four remaining did some nice prog-pop work. Things seemed to go downhill over time and horribly wrong once Steve Hackett left. This was a super album and showed a lot of promise for the future. Nice to hear it - I give it an 8.
I 10'd it.
jgirl63 wrote:
and then falling into a coma . . .
Beautifully textured, visually evocative. Dream induced.
Roaming to unexpected rooms and landscapes.
Roaming to unexpected rooms and landscapes.
and then falling into a coma . . .
Beautifully textured, visually evocative. Dream induced.
Roaming to unexpected rooms and landscapes.
Roaming to unexpected rooms and landscapes.
bytheway wrote:
That's true for a lot of prog, but doesn't really apply to Genesis except for on "The Lamb Lies Down" or, to a much lesser extent, "Selling England" and Duke. What Genesis specialized in more than concept albums was "concept songs" that stretched out a bit and told a self-contained story.
I think a lot of these prog rock songs from the 70s were really meant to be heard in the context of the entire record, whether or not they were really thought of as "concept albums." Still, good to hear.
That's true for a lot of prog, but doesn't really apply to Genesis except for on "The Lamb Lies Down" or, to a much lesser extent, "Selling England" and Duke. What Genesis specialized in more than concept albums was "concept songs" that stretched out a bit and told a self-contained story.
My dirty little secret is that I actually like Genesis sans Gabriel but before the horrible "Invisible Touch." I know, I know, that's heresy around here. But "Three Sides Live represents a fertile period." People seem to forget (or ignore) that most of the best Genesis music with Gabriel, like "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway," was written by the other band members and not Gabriel.
I discovered this during the summer of '79...a friend's older sister was tossing out her old 8-tracks, and I still had a decent player in my car and at home, so he gave the box to me...this was one of them, and soon, it became a fave. I'd come home from working my summer mowing-crew job, slide this in, lie back on the bed and wait for dinner. Fantastic blast from the past; days when visions often came in sonic form, to be deciphered at leisure; languorous pleasure from a time a lot less worried and far less hurried...
bytheway wrote:
Or else it is just potty break time for the dj
I think a lot of these prog rock songs from the 70s were really meant to be heard in the context of the entire record, whether or not they were really thought of as "concept albums." Still, good to hear.
Or else it is just potty break time for the dj
What wonderful memories this brings back. To bad the band didn't advance as is or was at that point.
I think a lot of these prog rock songs from the 70s were really meant to be heard in the context of the entire record, whether or not they were really thought of as "concept albums." Still, good to hear.
LordBaltimore wrote:
Point taken. I'd add The Lamb to that pantheon (despite its flaws).
Still will argue that Trick is a more coherent and focused album than the Lamb though. But the Lamb does have that intensity that Trick lacks. Phil really wasn't able to match Peter's intensity until around the Duke album. But I do like his folkier, less bombastic, gnome-like vocals in the 70s...the dude sounded and looked like Gandalf back then.
For "intensity," Genesis' self-titled album is pretty good, especially the first side. Phil sings his ass off on the songs Mama, Home by the Sea, and Just a Job to Do. Hard to believe it's actually the same guy screaming on a creepy song like Mama that sings a literate, intricate tale like Mad Man Moon (of course Tony Banks wrote the lyrics).
Pretty excited about a show tonight. There is a Genesis tribute band called Musical Box and they even got permission from Gabe and the gang to recreate the Lamb from start to finish, old costumes and slides and all. My first concert was Trick o the tail (killer btw) but i've always wished I could have seen the last work of them all together. I hope i'm not too disappointed...
Point taken. I'd add The Lamb to that pantheon (despite its flaws).
Still will argue that Trick is a more coherent and focused album than the Lamb though. But the Lamb does have that intensity that Trick lacks. Phil really wasn't able to match Peter's intensity until around the Duke album. But I do like his folkier, less bombastic, gnome-like vocals in the 70s...the dude sounded and looked like Gandalf back then.
For "intensity," Genesis' self-titled album is pretty good, especially the first side. Phil sings his ass off on the songs Mama, Home by the Sea, and Just a Job to Do. Hard to believe it's actually the same guy screaming on a creepy song like Mama that sings a literate, intricate tale like Mad Man Moon (of course Tony Banks wrote the lyrics).
Pretty excited about a show tonight. There is a Genesis tribute band called Musical Box and they even got permission from Gabe and the gang to recreate the Lamb from start to finish, old costumes and slides and all. My first concert was Trick o the tail (killer btw) but i've always wished I could have seen the last work of them all together. I hope i'm not too disappointed...
johnjconn wrote:
True - but not in comparison with Gabriel times!
Great album, fun to hear it again. My fav is Ripples.
Funny how badly Genesis fell apart after this album.
Everything after "And then there were three" was pop flavor, top 40 hit stuff.
Sad they lost their musical sense and went only for the money
But this album remains strong.
Funny how badly Genesis fell apart after this album.
Everything after "And then there were three" was pop flavor, top 40 hit stuff.
Sad they lost their musical sense and went only for the money
But this album remains strong.
True - but not in comparison with Gabriel times!
1wolfy wrote:
Yep. Far, far, far from ordinary.
Differnent, unique, a musical adventure. I graduated High School in 76..Genesis was my escape from 'the ordinary' then. It still is.
Yep. Far, far, far from ordinary.
peter_james_bond wrote:
Bruford has certainly the biggest set of lips behind the drum kit! Remarkable for a white drummer-boy!
Bruford has certainly the biggest set of lips behind the drum kit! Remarkable for a white drummer-boy!
as long as they had Hackett and Gabriel they defined this genre...
after that - not so much...
after that - not so much...
johnjconn wrote:
I used to play "Ripples" at sunrise when I was juggling turntables at the college station in Columbia MO. It's a glorious song.
Great album, fun to hear it again. My fav is Ripples.
Funny how badly Genesis fell apart after this album.
Everything after "And then there were three" was pop flavor, top 40 hit stuff.
Sad they lost their musical sense and went only for the money
But this album remains strong.
Funny how badly Genesis fell apart after this album.
Everything after "And then there were three" was pop flavor, top 40 hit stuff.
Sad they lost their musical sense and went only for the money
But this album remains strong.
I used to play "Ripples" at sunrise when I was juggling turntables at the college station in Columbia MO. It's a glorious song.
GENESIS on RP?
Can that be...?
Can that be...?
1wolfy wrote:
Differnent, unique, a musical adventure. I graduated High School in 76..Genesis was my escape from 'the ordinary' then. It still is.
MinMan wrote:
I'm not sure PG has "soured"; it's more like he's sweetened - not always in a good way.
Yes, it's all good except it misses out on the gut wrenching, soul clenching intensity contributed by PG on "The Lamb". Then again, Mr. G has soured in the most recent decade or two... so it goes.
I'm not sure PG has "soured"; it's more like he's sweetened - not always in a good way.
Differnent, unique, a musical adventure. I graduated High School in 76..Genesis was my escape from 'the ordinary' then. It still is.
MinMan wrote:
Point taken. I'd add The Lamb to that pantheon (despite its flaws).
Still will argue that Trick is a more coherent and focused album than the Lamb though. But the Lamb does have that intensity that Trick lacks. Phil really wasn't able to match Peter's intensity until around the Duke album. But I do like his folkier, less bombastic, gnome-like vocals in the 70s...the dude sounded and looked like Gandalf back then.
For "intensity," Genesis' self-titled album is pretty good, especially the first side. Phil sings his ass off on the songs Mama, Home by the Sea, and Just a Job to Do. Hard to believe it's actually the same guy screaming on a creepy song like Mama that sings a literate, intricate tale like Mad Man Moon (of course Tony Banks wrote the lyrics).
Yes, it's all good except it misses out on the gut wrenching, soul clenching intensity contributed by PG on "The Lamb". Then again, Mr. G has soured in the most recent decade or two... so it goes.
Point taken. I'd add The Lamb to that pantheon (despite its flaws).
Still will argue that Trick is a more coherent and focused album than the Lamb though. But the Lamb does have that intensity that Trick lacks. Phil really wasn't able to match Peter's intensity until around the Duke album. But I do like his folkier, less bombastic, gnome-like vocals in the 70s...the dude sounded and looked like Gandalf back then.
For "intensity," Genesis' self-titled album is pretty good, especially the first side. Phil sings his ass off on the songs Mama, Home by the Sea, and Just a Job to Do. Hard to believe it's actually the same guy screaming on a creepy song like Mama that sings a literate, intricate tale like Mad Man Moon (of course Tony Banks wrote the lyrics).
LordBaltimore wrote:
...it showcases all the things that make them a great band.
Yes, it's all good except it misses out on the gut wrenching, soul clenching intensity contributed by PG on "The Lamb". Then again, Mr. G has soured in the most recent decade or two... so it goes.If there is any justice in the world, Trick of the Tail would be right up there in the classic rock pantheon with Who's Next, Led Zeppelin IV, Sticky Fingers, Dark Side of the Moon, etc. It's easily Genesis' most coherent, accessible time-tested album of their entire career, and it showcases all the things that make them a great band.
Does not sound like Slayer.
AGREED! Hear, Hear!
Tippster wrote:
Tippster wrote:
First G-tunes album without PG, and still heavily influenced by Steve Hackett's sensibilities.
Unbelievably great listening album. This song only touches on the true genius better displayed in "Squonk," "Entangled," and "Ripples."
Yeah, I'm an unabashed fan of this record.
Unbelievably great listening album. This song only touches on the true genius better displayed in "Squonk," "Entangled," and "Ripples."
Yeah, I'm an unabashed fan of this record.
First G-tunes album without PG, and still heavily influenced by Steve Hackett's sensibilities.
Unbelievably great listening album. This song only touches on the true genius better displayed in "Squonk," "Entangled," and "Ripples."
Yeah, I'm an unabashed fan of this record.
Unbelievably great listening album. This song only touches on the true genius better displayed in "Squonk," "Entangled," and "Ripples."
Yeah, I'm an unabashed fan of this record.
ralphf wrote:
Now that's a trenchant comment. I couldn't agree more.
Progressive Rock got excessive at times, and sometimes even, "corny." But, listen. Musicians who could really play their instruments and weren't yellin' about women being, "Hoes" and all the other cultural wonders that the early 21st century mass-music scene offers. I'll take this softer, syrupy stuff over 90% of what is offered now.
Now that's a trenchant comment. I couldn't agree more.
ralphf wrote:
I love Genesis. And lately, I'm falling back into the music of Moody Blues, ELP, and Yes. I must be getting old. Either that, or I'm re-appreciating the music of a lost generation. I used to hate the thought of getting old - now, I embrace it, because I have music that the younger generations probably have never even heard, much less appreciated. This song is one of a vast library of that music.
Thank goodness for RadioParadise - it's a wellspring of music that I've never heard, have heard but had forgotten, or don't get to hear enough in my current life.
I loves me my RadioParadise.
Progressive Rock got excessive at times, and sometimes even, "corny." But, listen. Musicians who could really play their instruments and weren't yellin' about women being, "Hoes" and all the other cultural wonders that the early 21st century mass-music scene offers. I'll take this softer, syrupy stuff over 90% of what is offered now.
I love Genesis. And lately, I'm falling back into the music of Moody Blues, ELP, and Yes. I must be getting old. Either that, or I'm re-appreciating the music of a lost generation. I used to hate the thought of getting old - now, I embrace it, because I have music that the younger generations probably have never even heard, much less appreciated. This song is one of a vast library of that music.Thank goodness for RadioParadise - it's a wellspring of music that I've never heard, have heard but had forgotten, or don't get to hear enough in my current life.
I loves me my RadioParadise.
ralphf wrote:
Yeah!!
Progressive Rock got excessive at times, and sometimes even, "corny." But, listen. Musicians who could really play their instruments and weren't yellin' about women being, "Hoes" and all the other cultural wonders that the early 21st century mass-music scene offers. I'll take this softer, syrupy stuff over 90% of what is offered now.
Yeah!!
alvarorb wrote:
No snow around here, but I second the feeling completely.
Bill: Thank you!
When the evil of a snowflake in June
Could still be a source of relief.
Sounds like Northern California yesterday!
Alvaro
When the evil of a snowflake in June
Could still be a source of relief.
Sounds like Northern California yesterday!
Alvaro
No snow around here, but I second the feeling completely.
Bill: Thank you!
When the evil of a snowflake in June
Could still be a source of relief.
Sounds like Northern California yesterday!
Alvaro
When the evil of a snowflake in June
Could still be a source of relief.
Sounds like Northern California yesterday!
Alvaro
Oh the memories...Sitting in the third row middle (friend was on the Cornell Concert committee). Lasers shooting over our heads reflecting off the haze of pot smoke. Absolutely sublime.
Progressive Rock got excessive at times, and sometimes even, "corny." But, listen. Musicians who could really play their instruments and weren't yellin' about women being, "Hoes" and all the other cultural wonders that the early 21st century mass-music scene offers. I'll take this softer, syrupy stuff over 90% of what is offered now.
Love it! 10!
What radio station in the WORLD would have the intelligence and ability to play this besides our beloved RP master at the controls?
Trick of the tail has the goods... And this is a delicious slice. A tear rolls down my cheek, the gorgeous memories.
Trick of the tail has the goods... And this is a delicious slice. A tear rolls down my cheek, the gorgeous memories.
I'm an old prog rock nerd that's ignored the bloated form for years, but God I still like a lot of the old Genesis, anything up to and including Duke; from Abacab on, it was a slippery slope downhill. Up to that point, I liked Phil Collins as a vocalist and what drum licks I didn't steal from John Bonham when I was a teen, I stole from Collins or Bill Bruford.
smackiepipe wrote:
The bridge reminds me of Brahms a little. Great storytelling and incredible musicianship. I love how he used the tempo and arrangement to support the story.
After about Duke and ABACAB things went off the rails, but the music they made with Peter and Trick, Wind and Wuthering and some of And Then There Were Three was fantastic.
Just an FYI, this song was written 100% by keyboardist, Tony Banks. Phil only sang.
The bridge reminds me of Brahms a little. Great storytelling and incredible musicianship. I love how he used the tempo and arrangement to support the story. After about Duke and ABACAB things went off the rails, but the music they made with Peter and Trick, Wind and Wuthering and some of And Then There Were Three was fantastic.
A true guilty pleasure. I know I shouldn't like it (the song's incredibly florid and it's the pop version of Genesis), but I have to admit that I do.
1wolfy wrote:
I love this album
To quote David Bowie's screamed intro to Diamond Dogs "This ain't rock and roll, this is genocide.'
Or at least its killing me. But I am only one opinion.
In fact, my wife loves this album.
Or at least its killing me. But I am only one opinion.
In fact, my wife loves this album.
Fantastic
xtalman wrote:
Yes, Tony Banks at his finest. Beautifully recorded Mellotron and piano.
Simply beautiful.
Yes, Tony Banks at his finest. Beautifully recorded Mellotron and piano.
Simply beautiful.
Original realease: 1976
I love this album
shayde wrote:
A Trick of the Tail was one of my favorite albums for ages. This song in particular surely has echoes of where Genesis was going to go (in particular Phil Collins and his icky current offerings.
Just an FYI, this song was written 100% by keyboardist, Tony Banks. Phil only sang.
veegez wrote:
Interesting gift for a very specific audience. Really taking a risk with that kind of offering. Kind of like giving your employee/s the DVD version of "My Dinner with Andre" perhaps? Or, a pogo stick, or possibly some Sheer Energy panty hose. Oh, how 'bout a can of Healthy Choice Chicken Noodle Soup, or some White Lithium Grease (actually not a bad gift), or Lactose Reduced Milk (yuk). You get the idea...
kaosmonkey wrote:
Yow...
My boss gave me this CD for christmas last year. It's been riding around in my car since then...Kind of melodramatic and quirky, but then so is my boss.
=P~
Interesting gift for a very specific audience. Really taking a risk with that kind of offering. Kind of like giving your employee/s the DVD version of "My Dinner with Andre" perhaps? Or, a pogo stick, or possibly some Sheer Energy panty hose. Oh, how 'bout a can of Healthy Choice Chicken Noodle Soup, or some White Lithium Grease (actually not a bad gift), or Lactose Reduced Milk (yuk). You get the idea...
daveesh wrote:
horrible. what next? mike and the mechanics?
Nope. It's The Producers playing their hit song "What He Got?(That I Ain't Got)" Thanks for trying though, we have a lovely parting gift for you...
ploafmaster wrote:
Ah, delicious...So Genesis really did stay proggy for a spell after PG left...
I've always heard that, but I never actually heard the music to prove it. I suppose I can pick up this disc with confidence, and perhaps I'll even check out Wind and Wuthering...
W&W is pretty good. It came out just after guitarist Stece Hackett left, I believe. For me though, And Then There Were Three is a better listen throughout. Also, the live release, Seconds Out really shows off the abilities of the band post-PG.
horrible. what next? mike and the mechanics?
Terrififc song..In my opinion, the moment that Hackett left Genesis, they became a pop band..( And then there were three)
I'm a huge Genesis-and-family fan. I know this makes some question my taste in music, but I can't help it. Genesis is the best prog rock band evah.
Pipes wrote:
So very good. Genesis always takes me places. Places I like to be! 
So places like the pub, then?
This is a cracking song and album. However, I am tired of the Phil Collins - bashing in this forum. True, the style changed, but the same prodigious songwriting and performances remained - all the way to the "I Can't Dance" album.
I saw them live in England for the closing of that tour. Absolutely brilliant. And albums such as Genesis, from 1983, will remain in my all-time favourites. IMHO, they remained good until Collins' departure.
Yow...
My boss gave me this CD for christmas last year. It's been riding around in my car since then...Kind of melodramatic and quirky, but then so is my boss.
=P~
So very good. Genesis always takes me places. Places I like to be!
Ah, delicious...So Genesis really did stay proggy for a spell after PG left...
I've always heard that, but I never actually heard the music to prove it. I suppose I can pick up this disc with confidence, and perhaps I'll even check out Wind and Wuthering...
I have to be in the right mood to listen to this and thankfully it's good timing. Interesting series, Bill.
Always cool music, Genesis. I just bought two Genesis cds as the albums I have of theirs is on vinyl.
Believe it or not, Seconds Out *is* my favorite Genesis album. IMHO the arrangements of Musical Box, Firth of Fifth, and Cinema Show are tighter and the vocals more powerful than Gabriel's esoteric approach. Of course Peter is a far better songwriter, and lets not even get started on the post-Duke Phil Collins show.
rgio wrote:
I was just reading some of the other posts about Collins being a PG wanna-be...of course he was, the guy who sang left the band and they couldn't replace his voice. I think Collins did a very good job singing not only Wind / Trick, but how many people say Seconds Out is their favorite Genesis album? That's Phil singing Pete's songs...not bad for an underrated drummer and poor actor.
Lamb Lies Down was the first album I ever owned, followed by Selling England. I wish I could have seen the full band, but the numerous times I saw Genesis Phil was great. I think he doesn't get the credit he deserves because of the crap he put out after Hello...I must be going.
coding_to_music wrote:
I double your oy
Tripled. Yama hama.
Have to turn up the volume when I hear this song!
beelzebubba wrote:
Yeah, it's still hard to believe, after listening to the crap he put out in the '80's that Collins wasn't always a douche-bag and actually kept Genesis still cooking for a while.
I was just reading some of the other posts about Collins being a PG wanna-be...of course he was, the guy who sang left the band and they couldn't replace his voice. I think Collins did a very good job singing not only Wind / Trick, but how many people say Seconds Out is their favorite Genesis album? That's Phil singing Pete's songs...not bad for an underrated drummer and poor actor.
Lamb Lies Down was the first album I ever owned, followed by Selling England. I wish I could have seen the full band, but the numerous times I saw Genesis Phil was great. I think he doesn't get the credit he deserves because of the crap he put out after Hello...I must be going.
otismyman wrote:
you don't think Duke was a great record?
I'll grant you everything afterwards was all about Fool Collins and 3 minute ditty's, but everything from Duke back is nothing short of amazing.
You know, I really do like Duke and would have to agree that it marked the end of the Progressive Rock Genesis. Even Phill's first solo effort was quite good. Something happened durring the early 80's that some how killed their creativeness.
Yeah, it's still hard to believe, after listening to the crap he put out in the '80's that Collins wasn't always a douche-bag and actually kept Genesis still cooking for a while.
Wow....Before they lost Hackett, without Gabriel but still a creative force. Can anyone hear the icredible influence of Gabriel on Collins singing? It just seems that he personally taught him how to sing...
Neat.
There's a couple note progressions from 'CARPET CRAWLERS', stumbling around in there.
9.
DownHomeGirl wrote:
oy.
I double your oy
A Trick of the Tail was one of my favorite albums for ages. This song in particular surely has echoes of where Genesis was going to go (in particular Phil Collins and his icky current offerings), but I still enjoy this song (and in particular the entire album) immensely.
It is a little off the beaten trail for Radio Paradise, but hey, that's what 'eclectic' means, eh? :)
oy.
I have to say that I agree with the pre Wind and Wuthering sentiments. Although I did like the song with the puppets in the video. But maybe because of the video? Anyway this is quite likeable and I enjoyed hearing it. I often play old Genesis, 2nd album of Seconds Out is my fav.
bluedot wrote:
this is LAME.....
There are times I just really miss it. This is clearly one of those. LAME is the kindest word I could find to describe this elevator trinket.
Wow, I submitted this song in the summer and never actually heard it on RP until now.
Thanks for the comments.
trekhead wrote:
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Me too! Bill, Home by the Sea?? Please??
This album brings back wonderful memories of my young adulthood.
Tony Banks is amazing here.
Thank you Bill !
I don't have the digital remaster, but I was one of the first to get this album on CD when it was first released.
"..but for the multitude who stand in the rain, heaven is where the sun shines!"
As for who was important in Genesis, I will add that Tony Banks, who largely wrote this song, was very important as the quiet "glue" that held the band together and kept them musically interesting. Kinda of a Graham Nash kind of figure.
Incidentally, this song is _great_ to play from sheet music on piano, for obvious reasons. They put out a "Trick of the Tail/Wind and Wuthering" songbook, full of Banks-heavy piano parts. Great fun.
mozo
p.s. the earlier pg genesis is indeed quite fine, and some (but not all) of the latter material forgettable philstuff, but Trick and Wind were quite good efforts, in my opinion.
bluedot wrote:
this is LAME.
why not just play REAL peter gabriel genesis instead of this second-rate phil-collins-imitating-peter-gabriel crap?
sorry, but phil collins trying to sound like peter gabriel DOESN'T CUT IT.
they should have called this album "grasping at straws."
they were obviously clinging to whatever remnants of gabriel's infuence that they could, and it's for good reason that genesis soon morphed into phil's cheesy backup pop band.
the instrumental bits are nice, but let's face it, they are rehashes of stuff that genesis had already done lots better WITH pg.
get a CLUE, people.
listen to selling england by the pound, the lamb, or foxtrot to hear some genesis that is far superior to this wheezing load.
not to mention the formative, but still interesting earlier albums.
Thank you for coming.
this is LAME.
why not just play REAL peter gabriel genesis instead of this second-rate phil-collins-imitating-peter-gabriel crap?
sorry, but phil collins trying to sound like peter gabriel DOESN'T CUT IT.
they should have called this album "grasping at straws."
they were obviously clinging to whatever remnants of gabriel's infuence that they could, and it's for good reason that genesis soon morphed into phil's cheesy backup pop band.
the instrumental bits are nice, but let's face it, they are rehashes of stuff that genesis had already done lots better WITH pg.
get a CLUE, people.
listen to selling england by the pound, the lamb, or foxtrot to hear some genesis that is far superior to this wheezing load.
not to mention the formative, but still interesting earlier albums.
I realy like this period of Genesis. Pure music. Very much not commercial garbage. 
philarktos wrote:
Indeed thank you !! I don't think I've ever heard this album, and I always thought of myself as something of a fan. Must have come after the transition between my psychedelic and initially more austere meditative periods, and before I lightened up in the early eighties.
dude you should buy it. You can find it for like 11 bucks these days. it's a masterpiece from end to end.
Indeed thank you !! I don't think I've ever heard this album, and I always thought of myself as something of a fan. Must have come after the transition between my psychedelic and initially more austere meditative periods, and before I lightened up in the early eighties.threxel wrote:
The last of the Great Genesis albums.
you don't think Duke was a great record?
I'll grant you everything afterwards was all about Fool Collins and 3 minute ditty's, but everything from Duke back is nothing short of amazing.
.........................iabsolutelyloveearlygenesisfromthisperiodhomebythesea.........................
I thought this was Phillip Glass in the beginning....very nice Genesis tune.
Pre-Gabriel, post-Gabriel: all fodder for more publicity. They would not have made it through the internet today. Nobody cares.
There is no "pre-Gabriel" Genesis.