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Take whatever is left, and take it with you out the door
See if I cry
See if I shed a single sorry tear
Can't say that it's been that great
No in fact it's been a wasted worried year
[Chorus]
Everybody sees
And everyone agrees
That you and I are wrong
And it's been that way to long
Take it as it comes
And be thankful when it's done
There's so many ways to act
And there's many shades of black
There's so many shades of black
Let it out, let it all out
Say what's on your mind
You can kick and scream and shout and say things that are so unkind
Yeah-see if I care, see if I stand firm or if I fall
Cause in the back of my mind, and on the tip of my tongue
Is the answer to it all
[Chorus]
Yeah there's many shades of black
[Chorus]
Cause there's many shades of black
There's so many shades of black
Yeah there's any shades of black
There's so many shades of black
Yeah there's many shades of black
There's so many shades of black
And there's many shades of black
There's so many shades of black
It sounded like Brian May broke into the studio and added a lead guitar track without anyone noticing. Very odd.
NO that is a classic Jack White solo. NOT from White Stripes days, but this band and The Dead Weather lps.
WHY the fuck does he do that with a guitar!?
That solo made me close my browser. Seriously, way out in front and no tone implied or tried.
How the F does he do that with a guitar?
WHY the fuck does he do that with a guitar!?
I thought this was Adele.
<- Look left. "w/Adele."
How the F does he do that with a guitar?
What a screech.
Or talent-free.
No, JK; I just don't like Adele is all.
She's not a "version" of anyone. She's Adele. And she's the real deal. Is sitting in with Jack Black "safer"?? This is a great collaberation.
Or talent-free.
No, JK; I just don't like Adele is all.
The point I was taking from your post is it doesn't matter who performs, whether it's a student who presses all the right keys on the piano or a master who takes it to the next level. That the material being performed is what you judge, and not the performance of that material. That you can discern no difference between the playing of Pablo de Sarasate and a elementary school violin teacher trying to play one of his songs. If that was not your assertion, I apologize, but can you see how absurd that seems?
You say no one can perform a book, so I assume you've never heard of an audio book or "book on tape"? They're quite popular these days.
Typical willful misreading of what I write here.
"Take it as it comes
And be thankful when it's done"
And I do enjoy some Adele songs, and a good number of White Stripes (I don't know much by Raconteurs admittedly).
I just don't get it sometimes...
A+++ -- would listen again!! Never heard this -- it's fantastic!
Does this allow you to play more Jack White, without playing Jack White?
This radio station seems to play a diverse range of music, but the same diverse music on repeat.
What's wrong with say "You don't understand me" by the Raconteurs.
Agreed. The Raconteurs have a small but great selection of songs to choose from. Mix it up a bit
Who solo's like that in a song with horns?!?!
Does this allow you to play more Jack White, without playing Jack White?
This radio station seems to play a diverse range of music, but the same diverse music on repeat.
What's wrong with say "You don't understand me" by the Raconteurs.
All I can think of is a puppy with one of those wheezy-squeaky toy bones.
richlister wrote:
Is she nearly 27?
pmsl... we wish - think she's about 22... portentously 5 more years of over-play on all other forms of media (including my music students!!!)... sigh
Is she nearly 27?
You are missing my point entirely. When you hear classical music, you are not hearing Bach or Mozart perform. You are never hearing the composer perform. Does that help? You don't see Shakespeare perform his work either, though at least his work can be performed. Audio book? Bar bands? What on earth are you talking about? No one can perform Tolstoy or Proust, though there can be (woefully) inept film or stage adaptations, which in no way could be construed as performances of their genuis, which can only be experienced by reading it.
The point I was taking from your post is it doesn't matter who performs, whether it's a student who presses all the right keys on the piano or a master who takes it to the next level. That the material being performed is what you judge, and not the performance of that material. That you can discern no difference between the playing of Pablo de Sarasate and a elementary school violin teacher trying to play one of his songs. If that was not your assertion, I apologize, but can you see how absurd that seems?
You say no one can perform a book, so I assume you've never heard of an audio book or "book on tape"? They're quite popular these days.
nagsheadlocal wrote:
Not so much controversial as it is silly. Books are not songs. I get the analogy, but a better one would be an audio book. And even then what's "well enough" works a lot better for an orator of a medium where the message is more important than the delivery. For music this is certainly not always the case! One need only listen to any of the truly great performers, the ones who have been covered by everyone and their perfectly adequate bar band, to hear where the imitations fall flat.
You are missing my point entirely. When you hear classical music, you are not hearing Bach or Mozart perform. You are never hearing the composer perform. Does that help? You don't see Shakespeare perform his work either, though at least his work can be performed. Audio book? Bar bands? What on earth are you talking about? No one can perform Tolstoy or Proust, though there can be (woefully) inept film or stage adaptations, which in no way could be construed as performances of their genuis, which can only be experienced by reading it.
My aesthetic principle is based 99% on the composition. I read fiction mainly. Since books cannot be performed, you might have an inkling what I mean. I do not care how well someone plays an instrument, so long as they can play the song or whatever piece they are playing well enough. It is the piece that matters. I was not aware that was such a controversial opinion.
Not so much controversial as it is silly. Books are not songs. I get the analogy, but a better one would be an audio book. And even then what's "well enough" works a lot better for an orator of a medium where the message is more important than the delivery. For music this is certainly not always the case! One need only listen to any of the truly great performers, the ones who have been covered by everyone and their perfectly adequate bar band, to hear where the imitations fall flat.
For me, sometimes a song is just a "catchy ass song" and I find myself humming it, as I did with "Rolling in the Deep" after the Grammys. I haven't purchased any of her music however, but apparently many people did. As it's been said, "There's no accounting for taste."
It would take many, many pages to refute such a sweeping and plainly wrong statement, but then I suspect you're just having a good old troll and I'm a strong believer in not feeding the trolls. On your principle, though, you'd not give a monkey's how an orchestra plays Mozart or Beethoven or Mahler or any other great composer, because what matters to you is the composition not the delivery. If you can't see just how wrong your statement is in that light then you must think that orchestras like Moscow Symphony or the Hallé are a "dime a dozen". And if you think Adele is just another dime singer, I suggest that you name the 11 others you could buy for your 10 cents.
I stand by my statement, as I would any others I make here (I joke a lot, sorry if you don't find them funny). It's up to me, and me alone, to decide what I like and don't like. I really don't have a choice in the matter, do I? Either I like it, or I don't. In other words, I cannot choose to like it or not. I am an aesthete. My aesthetic principle is based 99% on the composition. I read fiction mainly. Since books cannot be performed, you might have an inkling what I mean. I do not care how well someone plays an instrument, so long as they can play the song or whatever piece they are playing well enough. It is the piece that matters. I was not aware that was such a controversial opinion. There is no right or wrong in the matter. You sound like an idiot when you say that.
Now, you are a bit nasty calling me a troll. Whatever. You bandy that word about a lot I have noticed. I really don't care. Go sharpen your guillotine.
PS
Now that I have more time to finish this...
For you to level the troll accusation as often as you do is the height of hypocrisy. I know of scores of negative and repetitive posts by you on just one band alone - Radiohead. Radiohead is the flagship band on this station, and a strong consensus has formed around them. You have nothing constructive to say on the topic, you are just being a troll, by your own definition. I have no real problem with that. They're about the only worthwhile comments you make here. At least they are funny (on occasion). You are always acting like some self-appointed cop, trying to enforce some sort of etiquette or rules of propriety that exist only in your imagination and that even you don't follow. I write a lot of the things on the fly, and they are usually gut reactions to the polemical postings of other commenters. They are generally sincere unless I am obviously being tongue-in-cheek. I am sure I miss the mark from time to time. I am pretty busy with work and I don't think I should spend more time posting here than I already do. I don't have the time or inclination to fully develop my thoughts into essays for you, Fred. I don't really think that this is a discussion board, but instead a comment board. There's a big difference. There are plenty of other web sites out there if you want to feel good and make friends. This is cutting edge music here. There should be edginess to the commentary to go with it. It should be lively. You think I am a troll? Your screwball, wing-nut opinions would be derided in practically every social circle here in the states if you were an American and spouted them in person. Maybe I am a minority, dissenting voice here. I lean Left too, but here I am often in the unusual position (for me) of arguing from the Right. That's all the time I have for you today Fred. Sorry.
There is only one talent that matters in my opinion - songwriting talent. That includes composing the instrumentals of course. I don't give a fig how well someone sings or plays the drums or keyboards. They are a dime a dozen.
It would take many, many pages to refute such a sweeping and plainly wrong statement, but then I suspect you're just having a good old troll and I'm a strong believer in not feeding the trolls. On your principle, though, you'd not give a monkey's how an orchestra plays Mozart or Beethoven or Mahler or any other great composer, because what matters to you is the composition not the delivery. If you can't see just how wrong your statement is in that light then you must think that orchestras like Moscow Symphony or the Hallé are a "dime a dozen". And if you think Adele is just another dime singer, I suggest that you name the 11 others you could buy for your 10 cents.
Having a powerful, multi-octave singing voice is a talent, so Amy Winehouse had a talent - there is simply no debating that - whether or not you liked her or her material. A talent is not something subject to personal taste, it is a physical (often measurable) aptitude. Adele does have a similar style, though seemingly a more powerful voice. Hopefully, she will have more good material to sing in her future.
There is only one talent that matters in my opinion - songwriting talent. That includes composing the instrumentals of course. I don't give a fig how well someone sings or plays the drums or keyboards. They are a dime a dozen.
Normally a fan of Adele, but this is just making me turn off RP and listening to the straight Raconteurs version. Seriously, does she smoke? Sounds like she suffers from emphysema. Oh, here's a recent quote
"the down-to-earth star admitted she would rather risk her singing ability than be totally square and kick her smoking habit."
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It's totally square to quit smoking cigarettes? Maybe it just might save her life!!!
Although I love Adele, and as a singer wish I had even an ounce of her ability, I still prefer the straight Raconteurs version of this song. Jack White - being another favourite of mine - simply can't be covered IMHO.
Proclivities wrote:
Having a powerful, multi-octave singing voice is a talent, so Amy Winehouse had a talent - there is simply no debating that - whether or not you liked her or her material. A talent is not something subject to personal taste, it is a physical (often measurable) aptitude. Adele does have a similar style, though seemingly a more powerful voice. Hopefully, she will have more good material to sing in her future.
Agree with some of both opinions...I was just saying that though our choir director has a beautifully trained multi-octave tenor voice, I just don't like his sound. Talent he has.
I wish I knew Amy...I don't want to go down her path...
I agree that their voices sound quite alike. They differ in that Adele has talent. And the ability not to kill herself.
We are all killing ourselves: our hate will kill us...and so will what we love.
Some just leave the party earlier than others.
I agree that their voices sound quite alike. They differ in that Adele has talent. And the ability not to kill herself.
Having a powerful, multi-octave singing voice is a talent, so Amy Winehouse had a talent - there is simply no debating that - whether or not you liked her or her material. A talent is not something subject to personal taste, it is a physical (often measurable) aptitude. Adele does have a similar style, though seemingly a more powerful voice. Hopefully, she will have more good material to sing in her future.
Although I love Adele, and as a singer wish I had even an ounce of her ability, I still prefer the straight Raconteurs version of this song. Jack White - being another favourite of mine - simply can't be covered IMHO.
Normally a fan of Adele, but this is just making me turn off RP and listening to the straight Raconteurs version. Seriously, does she smoke? Sounds like she suffers from emphysema. Oh, here's a recent quote
"the down-to-earth star admitted she would rather risk her singing ability than be totally square and kick her smoking habit."
Adele undergoes surgery in US for throat problems
You mean: And your bird can sing....
I agree that their voices sound quite alike. They differ in that Adele has talent. And the ability not to kill herself.
Seriously? You went THERE? Well, many would agree that Amy also had talent, and Adele's young. She has a lot a time left for things to go horribly wrong.
I agree that their voices sound quite alike. They differ in that Adele has talent. And the ability not to kill herself.
Edit: I agree that their voices sound quite alike. They differ in that Adele has talent and Amy HAD talent.
Interesting you should say that; I thought it was Amy Winehouse during the first minute of the song - then looked at the credits.
yup, same here.
I agree that their voices sound quite alike. They differ in that Adele has talent. And the ability not to kill herself.
Interesting you should say that; I thought it was Amy Winehouse during the first minute of the song - then looked at the credits.
rtwingo wrote:
Does every song a singer sings need to be a display of their inner narcissist? It's that constant over-the-top "showcasing" that turns me off to a lot of today's female singers. I don't need to be reminded of your sustained virbrato or octave range in EVERY SINGLE chorus of EVERY SINGLE song. Jeez...
So that's why we hate Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey so much!
Dunno what it is about this woman, but I love her voice.
There's a fullness, a ripe sensuality, a stretching of the limits that seems to draw me in each and every time I hear her distinct vocals...
Does every song a singer sings need to be a display of their inner narcissist? It's that constant over-the-top "showcasing" that turns me off to a lot of today's female singers. I don't need to be reminded of your sustained virbrato or octave range in EVERY SINGLE chorus of EVERY SINGLE song. Jeez...
agreed
Normally a fan of Adele, but this is just making me turn off RP and listening to the straight Raconteurs version. Seriously, does she smoke? Sounds like she suffers from emphysema. Oh, here's a recent quote
"the down-to-earth star admitted she would rather risk her singing ability than be totally square and kick her smoking habit."
GT66 wrote:
Perhaps she should have a listen to the last couple Roger Waters albums. That'd change her tune right quick.
Having to listen to that Roger Waters' solo efforts could be considered a form of torture. If she wants to smoke, it's still legal and it's up to her.
thinkin`the same!!
Perhaps she should have a listen to the last couple Roger Waters albums. That'd change her tune right quick.
Or Bob Dylan nowadays...
"the down-to-earth star admitted she would rather risk her singing ability than be totally square and kick her smoking habit."
The idiocy of youth.
Does every song a singer sings need to be a display of their inner narcissist? It's that constant over-the-top "showcasing" that turns me off to a lot of today's female singers. I don't need to be reminded of your sustained virbrato or octave range in EVERY SINGLE chorus of EVERY SINGLE song. Jeez...
Oh, here's a recent quote
"the down-to-earth star admitted she would rather risk her singing ability than be totally square and kick her smoking habit."
Perhaps she should have a listen to the last couple Roger Waters albums. That'd change her tune right quick.
Normally a fan of Adele, but this is just making me turn off RP and listening to the straight Raconteurs version. Seriously, does she smoke? Sounds like she suffers from emphysema. Oh, here's a recent quote
"the down-to-earth star admitted she would rather risk her singing ability than be totally square and kick her smoking habit."
Well, that's probably because it's "The Raconteurs (w/ Adele)", not "Adele (w/ The Raconteurs)"...
I was hoping RP would play this great tune! Adel's cover of this Raconteurs song is by far my favorite song from her to date.
Great song from a great album just got a big old shot of B12.
EDIT: I don't mean the 90210 album ;-)
I'd rather be in a dentist chair then listen to Jack Whites screeching guitar.
And Adele's annoying voice!