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Wanting... the saddes kind of pain
Waiting for the day when I will crawl away
Nothing... is what I feel
Waiting... for the drugs to make it real
Waiting for the day when I will crawl away
Waiting... to be disciplined
Aching... for your nails across my skin
Waiting for the day when I will crawl...
Waiting for the day when I will crawl away
I don't deny much of what you have said, but I note that you don't mention soul or anything of the type, just technique. That's my problem with PT. All the musicianship in the world is worth nothing if there's no heart or soul, and I don't detect any here. Sorry.
Porcupine Tree has about the same amount of soul as, say, Pink Floyd or any other prog rock type band (more than some, really.)
What's 'saddes pain' when it's at home?
Saddest?
Wilson can go on about people who fail to Seize the Day and get stuck in meaningless routine.
What's 'saddes pain' when it's at home?
Presuming it's saddest, how I'm feeling right now 😪
I saw Mr. Wilson many years ago when I was a young teen. It was my first concert I had ever been to. My older sister bought tickets & on the night of the concert she told me there was a delay. She told me to go rest in bed until it was time to go. An hour later we drove downtown as the concert was now scheduled to start at 10 pm. Better late than never. Anyways Mr. Wilson and his band finally hit the stage. Listening to my older brothers live concert album of them over the years I was really stoked to hear them live. They did not disappoint. Fun Fun Fun! Thanks Brian & The Boys!
I hope to see the other Mr. Wilson soon, when time & life permits.
My 2 favorite Wilsons!
Had me fooled..... Steven, incidentally, is a big fan of the Beach Boys.
I hope to see the other Mr. Wilson soon, when time & life permits.
My 2 favorite Wilsons!
Thanks RP
I hate this too. Giving it an 8
Perhaps that would be "rapport he shared with his fans,". Unless his music included info he was reporting.
I can report that I love PT and most likely never would have known about Waiting, Dark Matter, Halo, Lazarus, Arriving Somewhere Not Here, etc. without RP. If I could make music like that, I would have plenty of rapport and never need to report to anything but my Muse.
Thanks RP
I don't deny much of what you have said, but I note that you don't mention soul or anything of the type, just technique. That's my problem with PT. All the musicianship in the world is worth nothing if there's no heart or soul, and I don't detect any here. Sorry.
This comment is born from either an ignorance of Porcupine Tree's catalogue, or from the basic fact that it takes soul to appreciate soul.
Or possibly this listener is among those unfortunates upon whom soulful lyrics /poetry is lost?
I don't deny much of what you have said, but I note that you don't mention soul or anything of the type, just technique. That's my problem with PT. All the musicianship in the world is worth nothing if there's no heart or soul, and I don't detect any here. Sorry.
If this tune has no soul, then it has spirit. Lots of it. And I'll take spirit over soul anyday.
Soul is overrated.
And one of many PT songs with an anti-blotto message in it.
So imagine that Steven Wilson was Nancy Reagan. He might say. OK, do drugs, but don't get blotto and don't allow them to get in the way of your work.
With your head?
Tie the puppet up.
I actually don't have a ticket yet, because service fees are so ridiculous. I will buy one when I'm able to get to the box office betwixt now and showtime, or else day of show, as I don't think it will sell out. But one never knows...
And now I'm flying to Los Angeles this Friday, so I'll miss this show after all...
Yes, do you have an extra ticket?
I actually don't have a ticket yet, because service fees are so ridiculous. I will buy one when I'm able to get to the box office betwixt now and showtime, or else day of show, as I don't think it will sell out. But one never knows...
Yes, do you have an extra ticket?
Because they are versatile. Because they have lyrics that engage and make one think. Because they have fabulous production and arrangement. Because they work hard to share a new sound. Because the musicianship is often first rate. Because they are a sonic breath of fresh air. Because Steve Wilson clearly has thought about conferring a vision through words and sound. Because on many tracks the drummer is a monster of a musician, totally dead on. And because imo no other band in the '90s to the '00s has come close to this versatility of elegant thunder.
I don't deny much of what you have said, but I note that you don't mention soul or anything of the type, just technique. That's my problem with PT. All the musicianship in the world is worth nothing if there's no heart or soul, and I don't detect any here. Sorry.
I have most of his catalog. Sure there are a few songs that don't fly with me, but I can say the same about Traffic, Led Zep, Pink Floyd, etc. I love Signify on so many levels. Steven has a new album coming out very soon and I'm looking forward to it.
Either way, I would never had heard of Porcupine Tree/Steven Wilson if it weren't for Radio Paradise. So thanks for turning me on to them back in the early '00's.
I, too, discovered PT in the early 2000's when I heard "Prodigal" and thought, What is this! I love the early stuff best, but do like some of the later group and solo things.
After a few decades seeing a lot of live bands in concert. I went to see Steven and was blown by how the audio was so clear. Never seen another band/musician pay that much detail to a clear audio sound for the audience. Saw Hand Cannot Erase concert last year, and already got my tickets for next March 2018 to see him again in an even better concert venue.
Great music, Carry on the good work....
Most interesting comment kirch.
That said, I doubt that contemporary audiences have stopped discovering Steven Wilson. I expect the Steven Wilson/Porcupine Tree fan base will continue growing.
Wilson does not appear to get along very well with one of his former PT band mates. Happens. Would love to see him overcome that personal animosity and put out another Porcupine Tree album. If well done, it would sell like hotcakes. Unlikely to happen perhaps.
I adore most of his solo output so no big loss from my perspective if PT never puts out another album or concert tour.
I never get sick of them
I have most of his catalog. Sure there are a few songs that don't fly with me, but I can say the same about Traffic, Led Zep, Pink Floyd, etc. I love Signify on so many levels. Steven has a new album coming out very soon and I'm looking forward to it.
Either way, I would never had heard of Porcupine Tree/Steven Wilson if it weren't for Radio Paradise. So thanks for turning me on to them back in the early '00's.
But Porcupine Tree is not one of those. In my opinion, I think you play way too much of these guys... They just aren't that great. Sort of a 90's hanger-on, alt band that never made it, with the occasional moody minor chord to be edgy. Maybe you are sentimental for them, Bill?
I'm sorry, but these guys are like a neutered and diluted Tool, who might just play weddings for confused 21 year olds.
Anyway, that's my 2c.
But RP is brilliant, keep up the great work, Bill & Rebecca.
Just PLEASE play less Porcupine Tree!
Thanks.
You know, I, like many of us, discovered PT because of RP. And I absolutely loved their music for a couple of years but my interest in them waned very quickly. I can take 'em or leave 'em now. I'll keep 'em on a Spotify playlist but that's about it. Carry on.
But Porcupine Tree is not one of those. In my opinion, I think you play way too much of these guys... They just aren't that great. Sort of a 90's hanger-on, alt band that never made it, with the occasional moody minor chord to be edgy. Maybe you are sentimental for them, Bill?
I'm sorry, but these guys are like a neutered and diluted Tool, who might just play weddings for confused 21 year olds.
Anyway, that's my 2c.
But RP is brilliant, keep up the great work, Bill & Rebecca.
Just PLEASE play less Porcupine Tree!
Thanks.
Sure hope that Steven Wilson comes back to play in backwater Vancouver at some point. Though one of these days a road trip to a concert in Seattle, Washington might be in order.
Love it!
I think we can be positive that we do like it.
I do, at least.
Hand. Cannot. Erase. is one of the best records I have heard in years.
Because they are versatile. Because they have lyrics that engage and make one think. Because they have fabulous production and arrangement. Because they work hard to share a new sound. Because the musicianship is often first rate. Because they are a sonic breath of fresh air. Because Steve Wilson clearly has thought about conferring a vision through words and sound. Because on many tracks the drummer is a monster of a musician, totally dead on. And because imo no other band in the '90s to the '00s has come close to this versatility of elegant thunder.
This.
Because they are versatile. Because they have lyrics that engage and make one think. Because they have fabulous production and arrangement. Because they work hard to share a new sound. Because the musicianship is often first rate. Because they are a sonic breath of fresh air. Because Steve Wilson clearly has thought about conferring a vision through words and sound. Because on many tracks the drummer is a monster of a musician, totally dead on. And because imo no other band in the '90s to the '00s has come close to this versatility of elegant thunder.
Well put sir, i raise a glass to you
(anyone who 'plays' knows when they are in the presence of those who can do stuff that you can only dream of being able to play)
BTW have you heard a band called Dream Theater? they're heavier than Porcupine Tree, but equally awsome playing!
Less of this and more wet music please. (not Pink Floyd though, that's just damp mouldy old shit)
sirtezza, what the hell is 'wet music?' Those PT chaps have more talent collectively and individually than most bands trying to make your 'wet music' these day's
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Because they are versatile. Because they have lyrics that engage and make one think. Because they have fabulous production and arrangement. Because they work hard to share a new sound. Because the musicianship is often first rate. Because they are a sonic breath of fresh air. Because Steve Wilson clearly has thought about conferring a vision through words and sound. Because on many tracks the drummer is a monster of a musician, totally dead on. And because imo no other band in the '90s to the '00s has come close to this versatility of elegant thunder.
Less of this and more wet music please. (not Pink Floyd though, that's just damp mouldy old shit)
Welcome back, Stingray!
Because they are versatile. Because they have lyrics that engage and make one think. Because they have fabulous production and arrangement. Because they work hard to share a new sound. Because the musicianship is often first rate. Because they are a sonic breath of fresh air. Because Steve Wilson clearly has thought about conferring a vision through words and sound. Because on many tracks the drummer is a monster of a musician, totally dead on. And because imo no other band in the '90s to the '00s has come close to this versatility of elegant thunder.
well said..
Less of this and more wet music please. (not Pink Floyd though, that's just damp mouldy old shit)
Because they are versatile. Because they have lyrics that engage and make one think. Because they have fabulous production and arrangement. Because they work hard to share a new sound. Because the musicianship is often first rate. Because they are a sonic breath of fresh air. Because Steve Wilson clearly has thought about conferring a vision through words and sound. Because on many tracks the drummer is a monster of a musician, totally dead on. And because imo no other band in the '90s to the '00s has come close to this versatility of elegant thunder.
This is from 1997. But yes, they are great.
You mean you just heard the guitar riff that inspired thenewno2 over a decade later.
You mean you just heard the guitar riff that inspired thenewno2 over a decade later.
Oh yeah? Details please even if it is pure speculation.
In the meantime, Steven Wilson is coming to the Vogue Theatre, Vancouver in June and we have our tickets! I sure hope we Iike the new CD due out in March. I reckon that Wilson hit it out of the park with the Raven CD.
Still love Signify.
But Porcupine Tree is not one of those. In my opinion, I think you play way too much of these guys... They just aren't that great. Sort of a 90's hanger-on, alt band that never made it, with the occasional moody minor chord to be edgy. Maybe you are sentimental for them, Bill?
I'm sorry, but these guys are like a neutered and diluted Tool, who might just play weddings for confused 21 year olds.
Anyway, that's my 2c.
But RP is brilliant, keep up the great work, Bill & Rebecca.
Just PLEASE play less Porcupine Tree!
Thanks.
People who like this band REALLY like them. I'm not one of them.
However, I'm a huge fan of RP because they play a great variety of songs (like this) that you just don't hear anywhere else. :)
Please
But Porcupine Tree is not one of those. In my opinion, I think you play way too much of these guys... They just aren't that great. Sort of a 90's hanger-on, alt band that never made it, with the occasional moody minor chord to be edgy. Maybe you are sentimental for them, Bill?
I'm sorry, but these guys are like a neutered and diluted Tool, who might just play weddings for confused 21 year olds.
Anyway, that's my 2c.
But RP is brilliant, keep up the great work, Bill & Rebecca.
Just PLEASE play less Porcupine Tree!
Thanks.
You are one clever dude, man.
Congratulations.
Deja de hinchar las pelotas.
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You are one clever dude, man.
Congratulations.
Deja de hinchar las pelotas.
So true! No wonder I never did get a response.
I'm sorry, I couldn't resist!
The wiki-page reads too much like fan mail or an infor-mercial, so if somebody was to use complete sentences to describe the sound, and then recommend an entry CD, I would be much obliged.
And, what in Bill's name are muso circles?
Hey Westslope, there's no verb in your first line of text!
So true! No wonder I never did get a response.
Great band.
The wiki-page reads too much like fan mail or an infor-mercial, so if somebody was to use complete sentences to describe the sound, and then recommend an entry CD, I would be much obliged.
And, what in Bill's name are muso circles?
Hey Westslope, there's no verb in your first line of text!
The wiki-page reads too much like fan mail or an infor-mercial, so if somebody was to use complete sentences to describe the sound, and then recommend an entry CD, I would be much obliged.
And, what in Bill's name are muso circles?
Indeed a great band it their own right - no Genesis copy (as I thought first!)
....... ditto thanks RP
Yeah.... a tad as he goes off into guitar solo land. Good call!
Can't wait to pick that up.
Sweet. RP is playing the Tree twice a day now.
if you like King Crimson, if you like Yes' Relayer album, if you think Steven Wilson is the renaissance man most of us would have liked to have been, then give The Raven that refused to sing several lessons. He nailed it. His band drowns in talent.
Helps if you like jazz-rock fusion material with an occasional edge.
Very true, I saw SW play the Raven Who Refused to Sing live a couple months back in St. Pete, and hearing it live it really struck me that it was very much like Relayer/Close to the Edge, and a few bits of early Rush thrown in.
I still defer to Pink Floyd as the one true god of prog/art rock, and no one has been able to step up and produce work that is remotely as strong conceptually and musically until Porcupine Tree came of age. We all had hoped that Radiohead could be the next Pink Floyd, but they haven't delivered anything spectacular since their great run of Bends/OK Computer/Kid A/Amnesiac/Hail to the Thief. Porcupine Tree is the new Pink Floyd, no one comes close to carrying the prog-rock conceptual torch.
Sweet. RP is playing the Tree twice a day now.
if you like King Crimson, if you like Yes' Relayer album, if you think Steven Wilson is the renaissance man most of us would have liked to have been, then give The Raven that refused to sing several lessons listens. He nailed it. His band drowns in talent.
Helps if you like jazz-rock fusion material with an occasional edge.
You keep a good book.
Steven states that he is not a particularly great guitar player because it's true. He does, however, play with emotion and conviction. Just listen to Ambulance Chasing on Recordings. It's breathtaking.
But he has limitations and he admits them and that is truthful and frank.
In my opinion what makes a guitarist 'great' is what he plays - not whether or not he has a black belt in music theory, or can run the scales in any key. There are plenty of technically talented guitar players who simply do not have the artistic depth or vision to write truly great material. In many ways - being a virtuoso is limiting - in terms of one's approach to songwriting.
The movie 'It Might Get Loud' illustrates this somewhat. The Edge clearly does not posses the raw technical ability of Jack White or Jimmy Page - but he still manages to craft the most incredible and unique sounds - vibrant textures of sonic atmosphere that are iconically identifyable to U2 and which have resonated for decades. The ability to do this, in my opinion, supercedes any judgement of an artists' particular talent for navigating the instruments they endevour to use in the creative process.
So to play with, as you have stated - the emotion and conviction that Steven Wilson clearly posesses - this, combined with how he constructs and creates his music - elevates him as a truly great guitar player in my book.
Before: Lightbulb Sun and Stupid Dream
After: Deadwing and Fear of a Blank Planet
Interesting. Lightbulb Sun and Stupid Dream—both excellent CDs—remind me of the psychedelic phase of the Beatles. Some of the harmonies are a nod to the Beach Boys.
It is the material that precedes the Signify CD that reminds me the most of Pink Floyd.
Why do people want to compare this band to Pink Floyd? The earlier stuff maybe.
This makes me think more of King Crimson.
The Signify CD is a must have BTW for all keen PT fans.
I know, right?!?! Waiting Phase One, in particular just makes me all happy!
Before: Lightbulb Sun and Stupid Dream
After: Deadwing and Fear of a Blank Planet
Who concurs with this list? I'm new to PT and definitely digging them, and looking to prioritize the albums I get into. I already have in Absentia and that is what grabbed my interest - what is the best path at this point?! Love any input here.
For newby Radiohead fans I posted a similarly recommended album list in the past, if you are interested.
I would get Deadwing next
- Deadwing
- In Absentia
- Stupid Dream
- Fear of an Blank Planet
- Anesthetize
The above albums should be listened to in their entirety for maximum appreciation.
Also, Steven Wilson IS the same for the group Blackfield, also heard here on Radio Paradise.
See more about Steven Wilson here. What I love about this cat is his non-rockstar, regular guy persona...really cool for someone I regard as one of the understated greats.
Who concurs with this list? I'm new to PT and definitely digging them, and looking to prioritize the albums I get into. I already have in Absentia and that is what grabbed my interest - what is the best path at this point?! Love any input here.
For newby Radiohead fans I posted a similarly recommended album list in the past, if you are interested.
Steven states that he is not a particularly great guitar player because it's true. He does, however, play with emotion and conviction. Just listen to Ambulance Chasing on Recordings. It's breathtaking.
But he has limitations and he admits them and that is truthful and frank. His true skills are his voice (it really is superb), his songwriting and his spatial effects (listen to his solo albums!). He is very close to being an overall great artist, arguably one of the truly greatest of his generation. His work with Opeth is amazing, he crosses many boundaries.
He is not the heart and soul of Blackfield but is certainly the rhythm of the band. He is also one of the best producers out there currently. I'd put him up there with Eno and Lanois (for this time period). He is multi talented which allows his guitar playing to be not great, but very good.
Wilson plays like Fripp or Gilmour... tasteful and angry at times. simple but involved.
An understated great is a perfect description... he's a player's player IHO. When I have regular radio on and a band like Nickleback comes on I get physically angry. How crap like that is regular play but genius like Wilson is left obscure is twisted. He doesn't even consider himself a particularly great guitar player, go figure?
Steven states that he is not a particularly great guitar player because it's true. He does, however, play with emotion and conviction. Just listen to Ambulance Chasing on Recordings. It's breathtaking.
But he has limitations and he admits them and that is truthful and frank. His true skills are his voice (it really is superb), his songwriting and his spatial effects (listen to his solo albums!). He is very close to being an overall great artist, arguably one of the truly greatest of his generation. His work with Opeth is amazing, he crosses many boundaries.
He is not the heart and soul of Blackfield but is certainly the rhythm of the band. He is also one of the best producers out there currently. I'd put him up there with Eno and Lanois (for this time period). He is multi talented which allows his guitar playing to be not great, but very good.
Canlistener: By dumping on Nickleback, you have forfeited your opportunity to win the Order of Canada.
tsk, tsk.
This is one of the best ones off the Signify CD.
Dang! retraction..retraction!
Canlistener: By dumping on Nickleback, you have forfeited your opportunity to win the Order of Canada.
tsk, tsk.
This is one of the best ones off the Signify CD.
- Deadwing
- In Absentia
- Stupid Dream
- Fear of an Blank Planet
- Anesthetize
The above albums should be listened to in their entirety for maximum appreciation.
Also, Steven Wilson IS the same for the group Blackfield, also heard here on Radio Paradise.
See more about Steven Wilson here. What I love about this cat is his non-rockstar, regular guy persona...really cool for someone I regard as one of the understated greats.
An understated great is a perfect description... he's a player's player IHO. When I have regular radio on and a band like Nickleback comes on I get physically angry. How crap like that is regular play but genius like Wilson is left obscure is twisted. He doesn't even consider himself a particularly great guitar player, go figure?
- Deadwing
- In Absentia
- Stupid Dream
- Fear of an Blank Planet
- Anesthetize
The above albums should be listened to in their entirety for maximum appreciation.
Also, Steven Wilson IS the same for the group Blackfield, also heard here on Radio Paradise.
See more about Steven Wilson here. What I love about this cat is his non-rockstar, regular guy persona...really cool for someone I regard as one of the understated greats.
Be prepared to have your mind blown my friend....