Antje Duvekot — Scream
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There's not too many people
That I really call my friends
And every path I take
Comes to an end
I might draw near
Before I slip out like a thief
The only reason
I arrive is to leave
I will find desperation
In the middle of this peace
And I will be your friend but friend
I wouldn't count on me
'Cause I will sell your trust
That I didn't even earn
And I won't be happy with this bridge
'Til I can sit and watch it burn
You are the fisherman
I am the storm
You become a baby
When I hold you in my arms
You are a vessel
Floating upon my sea
And my waves are crashing
And I cannot hear you scream
I know that you have given
Everything you could
To a brain that willed
But a heart that never ever would
For it is lost unsure
Afraid and it is blind
And it will claim
You were never on its side
You are the fisherman
I am the storm
You become a baby
When I hold you in my arms
You are a vessel
Floating upon my sea
And my waves are crashing
And I cannot hear you scream
I am coldfront and you are a rosebud
I am a saltmine and you are a deep cut
I am a floodwave and you are a nutshell
You are an ice patch and I am the sun
I am a sharp nail and you are a barefoot
I am a thumb tack and you are a tire
I am a tall cliff and every man falls
You are the fisherman
I am the storm
You become a baby
When I hold you in my arms
You are a vessel
Floating upon my sea
And my waves are crashing
And I cannot hear you scream
That I really call my friends
And every path I take
Comes to an end
I might draw near
Before I slip out like a thief
The only reason
I arrive is to leave
I will find desperation
In the middle of this peace
And I will be your friend but friend
I wouldn't count on me
'Cause I will sell your trust
That I didn't even earn
And I won't be happy with this bridge
'Til I can sit and watch it burn
You are the fisherman
I am the storm
You become a baby
When I hold you in my arms
You are a vessel
Floating upon my sea
And my waves are crashing
And I cannot hear you scream
I know that you have given
Everything you could
To a brain that willed
But a heart that never ever would
For it is lost unsure
Afraid and it is blind
And it will claim
You were never on its side
You are the fisherman
I am the storm
You become a baby
When I hold you in my arms
You are a vessel
Floating upon my sea
And my waves are crashing
And I cannot hear you scream
I am coldfront and you are a rosebud
I am a saltmine and you are a deep cut
I am a floodwave and you are a nutshell
You are an ice patch and I am the sun
I am a sharp nail and you are a barefoot
I am a thumb tack and you are a tire
I am a tall cliff and every man falls
You are the fisherman
I am the storm
You become a baby
When I hold you in my arms
You are a vessel
Floating upon my sea
And my waves are crashing
And I cannot hear you scream
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"The only reason I arrive is to leave."
I thought for a moment it was Natalie Merchant; similar in the lower register for sure. Nice.
"The only reason I arrive is to leave"
hahah, can resonate with this. it's nice and reassuring that realise that no one alone.
hahah, can resonate with this. it's nice and reassuring that realise that no one alone.
Love.
She touches. All. My. Buttons. . Ooh. Y as h as ..
I thought I heard her sing "I am the testa, you are the rossa." Made me stop what I was doing and go look. No. "coldfront and rosebud." My ears are getting old I guess.
fredriley wrote:
there's way too much of the metaphors/similies , in many of her songs, which is why I don't like her after I bought and listened to her first album.
I love the sweet metaphorical imagery in the lyrics. Used before, sure, but expressed beautifully and lovingly here. I'd be Antje's fisherman 
there's way too much of the metaphors/similies , in many of her songs, which is why I don't like her after I bought and listened to her first album.
As much as I would have my superego resist my Id , and not draw inferences and comparisons . I'm hearing a little Natalie Merchant in her tone … and I am a sucker for that tone!
upon 1st listen I feel the beauty . Nice Tune ~~~~ bordering Lovely
upon 1st listen I feel the beauty . Nice Tune ~~~~ bordering Lovely
CamLwalk wrote:
Funny you should say that....upon first hearing this I thought it was Dar Williams. :)
Seek out Antje's cover of Dar Williams' "The Light and the Sea" with Richard Shindell. Trust me, I'm a professional.
Funny you should say that....upon first hearing this I thought it was Dar Williams. :)
Love to hear this again. Great!
Seek out Antje's cover of Dar Williams' "The Light and the Sea" with Richard Shindell. Trust me, I'm a professional.
Antje duvekot is a new sensation. Yours sings are inpirings.
cohifi wrote:
6
It would be cool to have a rating button associated with each song.
6
It would be cool to have a rating button associated with each song.
denmom wrote:
1!
6
1!
6
lmic wrote:
1!
10!
1!
fredriley wrote:
But the genius of this song is that its sweet sound couches a really harsh lyrical sentiment! Love the confessional honesty...
I love the sweet metaphorical imagery in the lyrics. Used before, sure, but expressed beautifully and lovingly here. I'd be Antje's fisherman
But the genius of this song is that its sweet sound couches a really harsh lyrical sentiment! Love the confessional honesty...
to sweet for me!
10!
sqqqrly wrote:
Yes, here's your trophy. The previous comment that I was replaying to...making fun of...was saying, dont say its garbage even it that is how you feel.
There is a common mindset that no one should lose. Everyone (e.g. little league. Just to make sure no one's feelings are hurt, we should not keep score.) should get a trophy just for showing up.
Feminized culture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminization_%28sociology%29 This is not all bad. Its been good in many ways. I added the work hyper for those cases where it is over the top. You cannot have light without dark. Masculinity is just as valid and like it or not, part of humanity.
I edited my previous post to help you understand.
And here is a great example:
Maybe Bill should make the rule: If anyone rates a song sucko-barfo, it becomes Godlike!
Yes, here's your trophy. The previous comment that I was replaying to...making fun of...was saying, dont say its garbage even it that is how you feel.
There is a common mindset that no one should lose. Everyone (e.g. little league. Just to make sure no one's feelings are hurt, we should not keep score.) should get a trophy just for showing up.
Feminized culture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminization_%28sociology%29 This is not all bad. Its been good in many ways. I added the work hyper for those cases where it is over the top. You cannot have light without dark. Masculinity is just as valid and like it or not, part of humanity.
I edited my previous post to help you understand.
And here is a great example:
Canadian Youth Soccer League: Winning by More Than Five Counts as a Loss
Go up by 10, let the other team score 6 with no goalie. Wait, no the other team refuses to score. Or maybe the teams just start scoring for the other team. Must be great games to watch.Maybe Bill should make the rule: If anyone rates a song sucko-barfo, it becomes Godlike!
WOW, such diversity in the comments....I like it!
I love the sweet metaphorical imagery in the lyrics. Used before, sure, but expressed beautifully and lovingly here. I'd be Antje's fisherman
Insipid derivative drivel
Stefen wrote:
Thanks! both for the lyrics and the answer
edit : so the lyrics you posted were not the right song's one - nevermind I still like your post
Your remark piqued my curiosity. So, I might as well share.
Thanks! both for the lyrics and the answer
edit : so the lyrics you posted were not the right song's one - nevermind I still like your post
Gag me!
sqqqrly wrote:
we are watching you squirrelly.... he he he.
The comment board police are lurking....
we are watching you squirrelly.... he he he. Captain_D0D00 wrote:
Oh come on, it's metaphorgorific-terrific!
Overly-metaphorgorific.
Oh come on, it's metaphorgorific-terrific!
Wow. Those lyrics are a warning to anyone who tempts her embrace. 
The comment board police are lurking....
Captain_D0D00 wrote:
Quick! Google metaphorgorific.
Overly-metaphorgorific.
Quick! Google metaphorgorific.
Sexy
Overly-metaphorgorific.
What a nice song, Thanks Bill, You know how to release
the flow.
the flow. Sloggydog wrote:
I'm with you - who has time for this?
Seriously people y'all need to calm down. Spliff on, kick back and have a think whether all this really matters.
I'm with you - who has time for this?
Every time I hear this song, I think it's one from the film Once being sung by Markéta Irglová.
once again, jagdriver, you got it right! jagdriver wrote:
Ibid
| Antje Duvekot - Long Way (Sep 15, 2009 - 07:32) | Hopefully Bill will be over the Antje infatuation soon.... |
Ibid
Agreed. Some good loving or more bran in the diet of those below is in order. 
Seriously people y'all need to calm down. Spliff on, kick back and have a think whether all this really matters.
You nerds are hilarious!
peter_james_bond wrote:
I appreciate your response but I believe it misses the mark in a couple of areas. First of all my handle is not Romeotuma, I don't rate every song a 10. But I'm also not a troll who callously dolls out 1s for any song that falls outside my limited comfort zone. 10s and 1s are like black and white, good and bad, and the world is more complicated than that simple dichotomy. When Bill and Rebecca add a song to the play list they believe that music has value, I trust their judgment. I have to wonder if anyone who rates a lot of songs '1' really appreciates music...as Leonard Cohan writes in Hallelujah, "But you don't really care for music, do you?"
Your response to me also seems to be a thinly veiled slam against women. Narcissus means inordinate fascination with oneself, excessive self-love, vanity. It has nothing to do with gender. You mention a "hyper feminized" culture, I wonder what planet you are talking about because it sure isn't Earth. Your reference is very skimpy on details, it only mentions that women are moving in higher numbers into areas like education and television. Real power comes from government and corporations, the number of women in positions of power in Corporations is tiny compared to men. Women CEOS make up less than 2% of top 1000 US firms - I refer you to this website:
https://www.metrics2.com/blog/2006/11/27/women_ceos_still_rare_among_top_1000_firms_only_17.html
When it comes to government; in 2007 women made up less than 17% of both the House of Representatives and the Senate. The figures for the rest of the world aren't much better, although Europe is making real headway toward equal representation - https://www.rferl.org/content/Article/1075134.html - https://www.capwip.org/readingroom/5050sourcekit.pdf
For more proof that we are actually in a hyper-masculine society:
The higher salaries and status of male athletes compared to female athletes - for example golf and basketball.
The overall wage gap between men and women doing the same jobs.
The fact that pornography is rampant.
Thirdly, you assume that women are nicer than men and that they are behind a policy of rewarding everyone, without regard for quality. Apparently you've forgotten about Margaret Thatcher.
Women can be mean, just ask them about school where teenage girls can be vicious. Since women tend not to be in positions of power, if these policies exist they are created and/or approved by men or by both men and women, not solely be women.
peter_james_bond wrote:
I appreciate your response but I believe it misses the mark in a couple of areas. First of all my handle is not Romeotuma, I don't rate every song a 10. But I'm also not a troll who callously dolls out 1s for any song that falls outside my limited comfort zone. 10s and 1s are like black and white, good and bad, and the world is more complicated than that simple dichotomy. When Bill and Rebecca add a song to the play list they believe that music has value, I trust their judgment. I have to wonder if anyone who rates a lot of songs '1' really appreciates music...as Leonard Cohan writes in Hallelujah, "But you don't really care for music, do you?"
Your response to me also seems to be a thinly veiled slam against women. Narcissus means inordinate fascination with oneself, excessive self-love, vanity. It has nothing to do with gender. You mention a "hyper feminized" culture, I wonder what planet you are talking about because it sure isn't Earth. Your reference is very skimpy on details, it only mentions that women are moving in higher numbers into areas like education and television. Real power comes from government and corporations, the number of women in positions of power in Corporations is tiny compared to men. Women CEOS make up less than 2% of top 1000 US firms - I refer you to this website:
https://www.metrics2.com/blog/2006/11/27/women_ceos_still_rare_among_top_1000_firms_only_17.html
When it comes to government; in 2007 women made up less than 17% of both the House of Representatives and the Senate. The figures for the rest of the world aren't much better, although Europe is making real headway toward equal representation - https://www.rferl.org/content/Article/1075134.html - https://www.capwip.org/readingroom/5050sourcekit.pdf
For more proof that we are actually in a hyper-masculine society:
The higher salaries and status of male athletes compared to female athletes - for example golf and basketball.
The overall wage gap between men and women doing the same jobs.
The fact that pornography is rampant.
Thirdly, you assume that women are nicer than men and that they are behind a policy of rewarding everyone, without regard for quality. Apparently you've forgotten about Margaret Thatcher.
Women can be mean, just ask them about school where teenage girls can be vicious. Since women tend not to be in positions of power, if these policies exist they are created and/or approved by men or by both men and women, not solely be women. sqqqrly wrote:
I appreciate your response but I believe it misses the mark in a couple of areas. First of all my handle is not Romeotuma, I don't rate every song a 10. But I'm also not a troll who callously dolls out 1s for any song that falls outside my limited comfort zone. 10s and 1s are like black and white, good and bad, and the world is more complicated than that simple dichotomy. When Bill and Rebecca add a song to the play list they believe that music has value, I trust their judgment. I have to wonder if anyone who rates a lot of songs '1' really appreciates music...as Leonard Cohan writes in Hallelujah, "But you don't really care for music, do you?"
Your response to me also seems to be a thinly veiled slam against women. Narcissus means inordinate fascination with oneself, excessive self-love, vanity. It has nothing to do with gender. You mention a "hyper feminized" culture, I wonder what planet you are talking about because it sure isn't Earth. Your reference is very skimpy on details, it only mentions that women are moving in higher numbers into areas like education and television. Real power comes from government and corporations, the number of women in positions of power in Corporations is tiny compared to men. Women CEOS make up less than 2% of top 1000 US firms - I refer you to this website:
https://www.metrics2.com/blog/2006/11/27/women_ceos_still_rare_among_top_1000_firms_only_17.html
When it comes to government; in 2007 women made up less than 17% of both the House of Representatives and the Senate. The figures for the rest of the world aren't much better, although Europe is making real headway toward equal representation - https://www.rferl.org/content/Article/1075134.html - https://www.capwip.org/readingroom/5050sourcekit.pdf
For more proof that we are actually in a hyper-masculine society:
The higher salaries and status of male athletes compared to female athletes - for example golf and basketball.
The overall wage gap between men and women doing the same jobs.
The fact that pornography is rampant.
Thirdly, you assume that women are nicer than men and that they are behind a policy of rewarding everyone, without regard for quality. Apparently you've forgotten about Margaret Thatcher. Women can be mean, just ask them about school where teenage girls can be vicious. Since women tend not to be in positions of power, if these policies exist they are created and/or approved by men or by both men and women, not solely be women.
That's part of the problem with today's hyper feminized culture; forget reward for performance, forget individuality, its all about giving everyone an award (ironic sarcasm). If I don't like, well then, I should avoid at all cost hurting feelings(ironic sarcasm). I'm willing to bet that you'd not bother performing to your maximum if you knew that your work would get the same high grade. I'm just saying don't be worried when you rate a song, give it some honest thought.
By the way I know if we all rated every song a 10, Bill might as well just remove all rating from his station.
By the way I know if we all rated every song a 10, Bill might as well just remove all rating from his station.
I appreciate your response but I believe it misses the mark in a couple of areas. First of all my handle is not Romeotuma, I don't rate every song a 10. But I'm also not a troll who callously dolls out 1s for any song that falls outside my limited comfort zone. 10s and 1s are like black and white, good and bad, and the world is more complicated than that simple dichotomy. When Bill and Rebecca add a song to the play list they believe that music has value, I trust their judgment. I have to wonder if anyone who rates a lot of songs '1' really appreciates music...as Leonard Cohan writes in Hallelujah, "But you don't really care for music, do you?"
Your response to me also seems to be a thinly veiled slam against women. Narcissus means inordinate fascination with oneself, excessive self-love, vanity. It has nothing to do with gender. You mention a "hyper feminized" culture, I wonder what planet you are talking about because it sure isn't Earth. Your reference is very skimpy on details, it only mentions that women are moving in higher numbers into areas like education and television. Real power comes from government and corporations, the number of women in positions of power in Corporations is tiny compared to men. Women CEOS make up less than 2% of top 1000 US firms - I refer you to this website:
https://www.metrics2.com/blog/2006/11/27/women_ceos_still_rare_among_top_1000_firms_only_17.html
When it comes to government; in 2007 women made up less than 17% of both the House of Representatives and the Senate. The figures for the rest of the world aren't much better, although Europe is making real headway toward equal representation - https://www.rferl.org/content/Article/1075134.html - https://www.capwip.org/readingroom/5050sourcekit.pdf
For more proof that we are actually in a hyper-masculine society:
The higher salaries and status of male athletes compared to female athletes - for example golf and basketball.
The overall wage gap between men and women doing the same jobs.
The fact that pornography is rampant.
Thirdly, you assume that women are nicer than men and that they are behind a policy of rewarding everyone, without regard for quality. Apparently you've forgotten about Margaret Thatcher.
Women can be mean, just ask them about school where teenage girls can be vicious. Since women tend not to be in positions of power, if these policies exist they are created and/or approved by men or by both men and women, not solely be women. lmic wrote:
WTF? Art is not some compromised zero-sum game. "Antje, you're one field-goal shy of Ella, but here's your trophy, anyway"?
Sheesh. And the comment about "hyper-feminized culture" is incomprehensible.
Yes, here's your trophy. The previous comment that I was replaying to...making fun of...was saying, dont say its garbage even it that is how you feel.
There is a common mindset that no one should lose. Everyone (e.g. little league. Just to make sure no one's feelings are hurt, we should not keep score.) should get a trophy just for showing up.
Feminized culture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminization_%28sociology%29 This is not all bad. Its been good in many ways. I added the work hyper for those cases where it is over the top. You cannot have light without dark. Masculinity is just as valid and like it or not, part of humanity.
I edited my previous post to help you understand.
WTF? Art is not some compromised zero-sum game. "Antje, you're one field-goal shy of Ella, but here's your trophy, anyway"?
Sheesh. And the comment about "hyper-feminized culture" is incomprehensible.
Yes, here's your trophy. The previous comment that I was replaying to...making fun of...was saying, dont say its garbage even it that is how you feel.
There is a common mindset that no one should lose. Everyone (e.g. little league. Just to make sure no one's feelings are hurt, we should not keep score.) should get a trophy just for showing up.
Feminized culture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminization_%28sociology%29 This is not all bad. Its been good in many ways. I added the work hyper for those cases where it is over the top. You cannot have light without dark. Masculinity is just as valid and like it or not, part of humanity.
I edited my previous post to help you understand.
sqqqrly wrote:
That's part of the problem with today's hyper feminized culture; forget reward for performance, forget individuality, its all about giving everyone an award. If I don't like, well then, I should avoid at all cost hurting feelings. I'm willing to bet that you'd not bother performing to your maximum if you knew that your work would get the same high grade. I'm just saying don't be worried when you rate a song, give it some honest thought.
By the way I know if we all rated every song a 10, Bill might as well just remove all rating from his station.
WTF? Art is not some compromised zero-sum game. "Antje, you're one field-goal shy of Ella, but here's your trophy, anyway"?
Sheesh. And the comment about "hyper-feminized culture" is incomprehensible.
That's part of the problem with today's hyper feminized culture; forget reward for performance, forget individuality, its all about giving everyone an award. If I don't like, well then, I should avoid at all cost hurting feelings. I'm willing to bet that you'd not bother performing to your maximum if you knew that your work would get the same high grade. I'm just saying don't be worried when you rate a song, give it some honest thought.
By the way I know if we all rated every song a 10, Bill might as well just remove all rating from his station.
WTF? Art is not some compromised zero-sum game. "Antje, you're one field-goal shy of Ella, but here's your trophy, anyway"?
Sheesh. And the comment about "hyper-feminized culture" is incomprehensible.
peter_james_bond wrote:
That's part of the problem with today's hyper narcissistic culture; forget fairness, forget objectivity, it's all about how I feel about something. If I don't like it, well then, it's garbage. I'm willing to bet that you'd be pissed if people gave your work a low grade. I'm just saying don't be flippant when you rate a song, give it some serious thought.
By the way I know of 2 artists who do log in to the station.
That's part of the problem with today's hyper feminized culture; forget reward for performance, forget individuality, its all about giving everyone an award (ironic sarcasm). If I don't like, well then, I should avoid at all cost hurting feelings(ironic sarcasm). I'm willing to bet that you'd not bother performing to your maximum if you knew that your work would get the same high grade. I'm just saying don't be worried when you rate a song, give it some honest thought.
By the way I know if we all rated every song a 10, Bill might as well just remove all rating from his station.
That's part of the problem with today's hyper narcissistic culture; forget fairness, forget objectivity, it's all about how I feel about something. If I don't like it, well then, it's garbage. I'm willing to bet that you'd be pissed if people gave your work a low grade. I'm just saying don't be flippant when you rate a song, give it some serious thought.
By the way I know of 2 artists who do log in to the station.
That's part of the problem with today's hyper feminized culture; forget reward for performance, forget individuality, its all about giving everyone an award (ironic sarcasm). If I don't like, well then, I should avoid at all cost hurting feelings(ironic sarcasm). I'm willing to bet that you'd not bother performing to your maximum if you knew that your work would get the same high grade. I'm just saying don't be worried when you rate a song, give it some honest thought.
By the way I know if we all rated every song a 10, Bill might as well just remove all rating from his station.
| Antje Duvekot - Long Way (Sep 15, 2009 - 07:32) | Hopefully Bill will be over the Antje infatuation soon.... |
Ibid
New England, eh? You don't say.....
neckbone wrote:
That's part of the problem with today's hyper narcissistic culture; forget fairness, forget objectivity, it's all about how I feel about something. If I don't like it, well then, it's garbage. I'm willing to bet that you'd be pissed if people gave your work a low grade. I'm just saying don't be flippant when you rate a song, give it some serious thought.
By the way I know of 2 artists who do log in to the station.
As for giving songs a 1, I say go for it. The ratings are about YOUR opinion. Music is emotional for both the artist and the listener. I agree that the artists work hard, but I'm not to worried about being fair to them. I doubt they're going to come here and cry if they see low ratings.
That's part of the problem with today's hyper narcissistic culture; forget fairness, forget objectivity, it's all about how I feel about something. If I don't like it, well then, it's garbage. I'm willing to bet that you'd be pissed if people gave your work a low grade. I'm just saying don't be flippant when you rate a song, give it some serious thought.
By the way I know of 2 artists who do log in to the station.
Buyed a few months ago. Good voice, good compositions. I´d like specially the last one, for the special significance. Beatiful deutch song.
peter_james_bond wrote:
I understand that people will dislike many of the songs on RP, my main point was that the poster in question has a disturbing tendency to give low ratings to female artists. I think this amounts to gender bias so when I saw another negative post by this individual, directed at a talented female artist, I drafted a response that exposed the lopsidedness of his ratings. People are free to rate artists anyway they want to and everybody has some degree of bias in them but I think people should strive to be fair in their ratings. Would it be acceptable to give low ratings to African American artists or Gay artists? No, so why is it all right to give poor ratings to female artists? I'm willing to give people the benefit of doubt, this individual may not have realized what he was doing, although that seems unlikely.
To say you absolutely hate 15% of the songs that RP plays is a strong statement. I dislike some of the songs but I've never given a song a "1" rating. In my opinion that's unfair to the artists, who work hard to create their tunes and who often perform in dingy dives to indifferent audiences for years before they achieve some level of success. I also don't think it's fair to the people who like the song and to Bill and Rebecca, who's opinions I respect. And, also, I'm no musical expert.
Of course in the end we are free to disagree. But I do agree with your expression of support for Radio Paradise. Viva RP!
Not liking female singers doesn't necessarily indicate a gender bias. I, for one, don't care for a lot of male vocalists, and I'm a guy. To compare that to not liking African-American or gay artists is a stretch to say the least. Female singers *generally* sound different than males, and maybe that sound doesn't resonate with that person. I wouldn't say that I can always tell if someone is gay or black from their voice, but I'm pretty confident that I can determine the gender of the singer 95% of the time.
As for giving songs a 1, I say go for it. The ratings are about YOUR opinion. Music is emotional for both the artist and the listener. I agree that the artists work hard, but I'm not to worried about being fair to them. I doubt they're going to come here and cry if they see low ratings.
I understand that people will dislike many of the songs on RP, my main point was that the poster in question has a disturbing tendency to give low ratings to female artists. I think this amounts to gender bias so when I saw another negative post by this individual, directed at a talented female artist, I drafted a response that exposed the lopsidedness of his ratings. People are free to rate artists anyway they want to and everybody has some degree of bias in them but I think people should strive to be fair in their ratings. Would it be acceptable to give low ratings to African American artists or Gay artists? No, so why is it all right to give poor ratings to female artists? I'm willing to give people the benefit of doubt, this individual may not have realized what he was doing, although that seems unlikely.
To say you absolutely hate 15% of the songs that RP plays is a strong statement. I dislike some of the songs but I've never given a song a "1" rating. In my opinion that's unfair to the artists, who work hard to create their tunes and who often perform in dingy dives to indifferent audiences for years before they achieve some level of success. I also don't think it's fair to the people who like the song and to Bill and Rebecca, who's opinions I respect. And, also, I'm no musical expert.
Of course in the end we are free to disagree. But I do agree with your expression of support for Radio Paradise. Viva RP!
Not liking female singers doesn't necessarily indicate a gender bias. I, for one, don't care for a lot of male vocalists, and I'm a guy. To compare that to not liking African-American or gay artists is a stretch to say the least. Female singers *generally* sound different than males, and maybe that sound doesn't resonate with that person. I wouldn't say that I can always tell if someone is gay or black from their voice, but I'm pretty confident that I can determine the gender of the singer 95% of the time.
As for giving songs a 1, I say go for it. The ratings are about YOUR opinion. Music is emotional for both the artist and the listener. I agree that the artists work hard, but I'm not to worried about being fair to them. I doubt they're going to come here and cry if they see low ratings.
We have tickets to see her and Richard Shindell in concert this fall. Can't wait!
Shawn Colvin wannabe.
Okay, still overplayed...going all the way down to "2" and next time it is played then down to "1"...can't go any farther than that...
jagdriver wrote:
jagdriver wrote:
raewah wrote:
Okay, overplayed now...
Okay, overplayed now...
Stefen wrote:
Those aren't the lyrics to Scream, they are the the lyrics to Vertigo. Here are the lyrics to Scream:
Your remark piqued my curiosity. So, I might as well share.
Those aren't the lyrics to Scream, they are the the lyrics to Vertigo. Here are the lyrics to Scream:
There's not too many people that I really call my friends
And every path I take comes to an end
I might draw near before I slip out like a thief
The only reason I arrive is to leave
I will find desperation in the middle of this peace
And I will be your friend, but friend, I wouldn't count on me
For I will sell your trust that I didn't even earn
And I won't be happy with this bridge 'til I can sit and watch it burn
CHORUS
You are the fisherman
I am the storm
You become a baby when I hold you in my arms
You are a vessel floating upon my sea
And my waves are crashing
And I cannot hear you scream
I know that you have given everything you could
To a brain that willed, but a heart that never ever would
For it is lost, unsure, afraid and it is blind
And it will claim you were never on its side
CHORUS
I am a cold front and you are a rosebud
I am a salt mine and you are a deep cut
I am a flood wave and you are a nutshell
You are an ice patch and I am the sun
I am a sharp nail and you are a bare foot
I am a thumb tack and you are a tire
I am a fire, I am a tall cliff
I am a tall cliff and every man falls
CHORUS
annersjen wrote:
I hear that ... this song isn't so bad. Upping my rating, cautiously, to 5.
Lovely! She sounds a tad like Jonatha Brooke - and I hate it when people compare artists, damn.
I hear that ... this song isn't so bad. Upping my rating, cautiously, to 5.
rah wrote:
wow. do yourself a favor and don't listen too closely to the lyrics. yikes.
Your remark piqued my curiosity. So, I might as well share.You're on the highwire and I'm climbing out
And I feel the danger as I steal a kiss from your mouth
And I will try to hold steady
I wanna make you believe
That the height of this tightrope is just second nature to me
But I will break all my bones
'Cause I lied about the vertigo
And I have never been up this high
There'll be no safety net
When I fall right out of the sky
There will be no ambulance waiting
And I have no wings to fly
We will meet on the borders, barefoot and blessed
In colorful graveyards with flower bouquets for the dead
And I won't ask you to promise
That I will not come to harm
But when the wind tugs my courage will you be my brother in arms
'Cause I will break all my bones
'Cause I lied about the vertigo
And I have never been up this high
There'll be no safety net
When I fall right out of the sky
There will be no ambulance waiting
And I have no wings to fly
But the view from this height
High above the ferris wheel lights
May cause me to sway
But I am teaching myself to be brave
But I may break all my bones
'Cause I lied about the vertigo
And I have never been up this high
There'll be no safety net
When I fall right out of the sky
There will be no ambulance waiting
And I have no wings to fly
rah wrote:
Interesting - quite the narcissist's confessional.
wow. do yourself a favor and don't listen too closely to the lyrics. yikes.
Interesting - quite the narcissist's confessional.
wow. do yourself a favor and don't listen too closely to the lyrics. yikes.
Great song...7->8
Just what I listen to RP all day at work for.
Just what I listen to RP all day at work for.
Not a fan. But I agree with the prediction below: "she's gonna be big".
This one grates on me in multiple ways
This one grates on me in multiple ways
sirdroseph wrote:
I understand that people will dislike many of the songs on RP, my main point was that the poster in question has a disturbing tendency to give low ratings to female artists. I think this amounts to gender bias so when I saw another negative post by this individual, directed at a talented female artist, I drafted a response that exposed the lopsidedness of his ratings. People are free to rate artists anyway they want to and everybody has some degree of bias in them but I think people should strive to be fair in their ratings. Would it be acceptable to give low ratings to African American artists or Gay artists? No, so why is it all right to give poor ratings to female artists? I'm willing to give people the benefit of doubt, this individual may not have realized what he was doing, although that seems unlikely.
To say you absolutely hate 15% of the songs that RP plays is a strong statement. I dislike some of the songs but I've never given a song a "1" rating. In my opinion that's unfair to the artists, who work hard to create their tunes and who often perform in dingy dives to indifferent audiences for years before they achieve some level of success. I also don't think it's fair to the people who like the song and to Bill and Rebecca, who's opinions I respect. And, also, I'm no musical expert.
Of course in the end we are free to disagree. But I do agree with your expression of support for Radio Paradise. Viva RP!
Look it is like this; if you are going to comment on a song in the first place it means that you are passionate one way or the other about it. I love RP, but absolutely hate at least 15% or more of the entire library, but guess what? I also absolutely love over 60% and the other 25% or so I don't feel strongly one way or the other. That is why people continue to listen even though they hate at least hundreds of the songs, because they love thousands more and are not subjected to the same 100 songs looped over and over like your usual commercial radio stations. So I say Viva to express disdain for songs that we do not like, Viva RP for playing all of these songs that we do not like and most importantly Viva for playing the many more that we love!
I understand that people will dislike many of the songs on RP, my main point was that the poster in question has a disturbing tendency to give low ratings to female artists. I think this amounts to gender bias so when I saw another negative post by this individual, directed at a talented female artist, I drafted a response that exposed the lopsidedness of his ratings. People are free to rate artists anyway they want to and everybody has some degree of bias in them but I think people should strive to be fair in their ratings. Would it be acceptable to give low ratings to African American artists or Gay artists? No, so why is it all right to give poor ratings to female artists? I'm willing to give people the benefit of doubt, this individual may not have realized what he was doing, although that seems unlikely.
To say you absolutely hate 15% of the songs that RP plays is a strong statement. I dislike some of the songs but I've never given a song a "1" rating. In my opinion that's unfair to the artists, who work hard to create their tunes and who often perform in dingy dives to indifferent audiences for years before they achieve some level of success. I also don't think it's fair to the people who like the song and to Bill and Rebecca, who's opinions I respect. And, also, I'm no musical expert.
Of course in the end we are free to disagree. But I do agree with your expression of support for Radio Paradise. Viva RP!
peter_james_bond wrote:
I took a look at your ratings and found a couple of puzzling things. The first is that 15% of your ratings are '1'. Why in the world do you continue to listen to a station where you hate so many of the songs? Even more disturbing is the gender breakdown of your ratings. You have zero female singers or bands with female lead vocalists in the top rating, '10' ,and only 5 out of 124 in the next rating down,' 9' - this works out to about 3% of your total 9 and 10 ratings. On the other hand about 60% of your bottom rating ,'1', is given to female singers or bands with female lead vocalists ( 72 out of 154 ). I hope this gender bias does not indicate misogynist tendencies; are you dismissive of women in general or just female artists?
Look it is like this; if you are going to comment on a song in the first place it means that you are passionate one way or the other about it. I love RP, but absolutely hate at least 15% or more of the entire library, but guess what? I also absolutely love over 60% and the other 25% or so I don't feel strongly one way or the other. That is why people continue to listen even though they hate at least hundreds of the songs, because they love thousands more and are not subjected to the same 100 songs looped over and over like your usual commercial radio stations. So I say Viva to express disdain for songs that we do not like, Viva RP for playing all of these songs that we do not like and most importantly Viva for playing the many more that we love!
I took a look at your ratings and found a couple of puzzling things. The first is that 15% of your ratings are '1'. Why in the world do you continue to listen to a station where you hate so many of the songs? Even more disturbing is the gender breakdown of your ratings. You have zero female singers or bands with female lead vocalists in the top rating, '10' ,and only 5 out of 124 in the next rating down,' 9' - this works out to about 3% of your total 9 and 10 ratings. On the other hand about 60% of your bottom rating ,'1', is given to female singers or bands with female lead vocalists ( 72 out of 154 ). I hope this gender bias does not indicate misogynist tendencies; are you dismissive of women in general or just female artists?
Look it is like this; if you are going to comment on a song in the first place it means that you are passionate one way or the other about it. I love RP, but absolutely hate at least 15% or more of the entire library, but guess what? I also absolutely love over 60% and the other 25% or so I don't feel strongly one way or the other. That is why people continue to listen even though they hate at least hundreds of the songs, because they love thousands more and are not subjected to the same 100 songs looped over and over like your usual commercial radio stations. So I say Viva to express disdain for songs that we do not like, Viva RP for playing all of these songs that we do not like and most importantly Viva for playing the many more that we love!
sounds like a 33 played at 45
Sounds like some Vienna Teng songs
peter_james_bond wrote:
Can't speak for him, but I, personally, don't like high voices. I guess it's something the way my ears are constructed. Also a lot of blokes like female artists because, you know, they like females in general. Maybe I don't for exactly the same reasons, not wanting to be desstracted by the music. Dunno.
I hope this gender bias does not indicate misogynist tendencies; are you dismissive of women in general or just female artists?
Can't speak for him, but I, personally, don't like high voices. I guess it's something the way my ears are constructed. Also a lot of blokes like female artists because, you know, they like females in general. Maybe I don't for exactly the same reasons, not wanting to be desstracted by the music. Dunno.
Aha .... I've been trying to put a finger on her voice for the longest time, and you said it (I read it)!!
Loving Jonatha Brooke is why I'm so drawn towards Antje Duvekot.
signed,
double-damned comparator
annersjen wrote:
Loving Jonatha Brooke is why I'm so drawn towards Antje Duvekot.
signed,
double-damned comparator
annersjen wrote:
Lovely! She sounds a tad like Jonatha Brooke - and I hate it when people compare artists, damn.
peter_james_bond wrote:
I took a look at your ratings and found a couple of puzzling things. The first is that 15% of your ratings are '1'. Why in the world do you continue to listen to a station where you hate so many of the songs? Even more disturbing is the gender breakdown of your ratings. You have zero female singers or bands with female lead vocalists in the top rating, '10' ,and only 5 out of 124 in the next rating down,' 9' - this works out to about 3% of your total 9 and 10 ratings. On the other hand about 60% of your bottom rating ,'1', is given to female singers or bands with female lead vocalists ( 72 out of 154 ). I hope this gender bias does not indicate misogynist tendencies; are you dismissive of women in general or just female artists?
The RP needs a button to ignore users. Some people aren't worth your time.
I took a look at your ratings and found a couple of puzzling things. The first is that 15% of your ratings are '1'. Why in the world do you continue to listen to a station where you hate so many of the songs? Even more disturbing is the gender breakdown of your ratings. You have zero female singers or bands with female lead vocalists in the top rating, '10' ,and only 5 out of 124 in the next rating down,' 9' - this works out to about 3% of your total 9 and 10 ratings. On the other hand about 60% of your bottom rating ,'1', is given to female singers or bands with female lead vocalists ( 72 out of 154 ). I hope this gender bias does not indicate misogynist tendencies; are you dismissive of women in general or just female artists?
The RP needs a button to ignore users. Some people aren't worth your time.
Lovely! She sounds a tad like Jonatha Brooke - and I hate it when people compare artists, damn.
vit wrote:
I took a look at your ratings and found a couple of puzzling things. The first is that 15% of your ratings are '1'. Why in the world do you continue to listen to a station where you hate so many of the songs? Even more disturbing is the gender breakdown of your ratings. You have zero female singers or bands with female lead vocalists in the top rating, '10' ,and only 5 out of 124 in the next rating down,' 9' - this works out to about 3% of your total 9 and 10 ratings. On the other hand about 60% of your bottom rating ,'1', is given to female singers or bands with female lead vocalists ( 72 out of 154 ). I hope this gender bias does not indicate misogynist tendencies; are you dismissive of women in general or just female artists?
That part where she says:
The only reason I arrive ...
at the beginning of this song? That's bad singing. There's plenty of other bad singing in the world, but when somebody wants to come off as a good singer, then completely jacks it up trying to add inflection or something (and only succeeds in replicating the sound of fingernails on a chalkboard) then something went horribly wrong with a record contract somewhere and we have another lawyer that needs to hang.
The only reason I arrive ...
at the beginning of this song? That's bad singing. There's plenty of other bad singing in the world, but when somebody wants to come off as a good singer, then completely jacks it up trying to add inflection or something (and only succeeds in replicating the sound of fingernails on a chalkboard) then something went horribly wrong with a record contract somewhere and we have another lawyer that needs to hang.
I took a look at your ratings and found a couple of puzzling things. The first is that 15% of your ratings are '1'. Why in the world do you continue to listen to a station where you hate so many of the songs? Even more disturbing is the gender breakdown of your ratings. You have zero female singers or bands with female lead vocalists in the top rating, '10' ,and only 5 out of 124 in the next rating down,' 9' - this works out to about 3% of your total 9 and 10 ratings. On the other hand about 60% of your bottom rating ,'1', is given to female singers or bands with female lead vocalists ( 72 out of 154 ). I hope this gender bias does not indicate misogynist tendencies; are you dismissive of women in general or just female artists?
joshfm wrote:
You've got that too. Not the stinky kind. Just that bland stuff as individual plastic wrapped slices.
I crave cheese with all this whine.
You've got that too. Not the stinky kind. Just that bland stuff as individual plastic wrapped slices.
lmic wrote:
I hope you mean her career will grow and not her waistline
(not that there is anything wrong with a few extra pounds) But I agree with you, she's talented and she deserves much success.
She's gonna be big.
I hope you mean her career will grow and not her waistline
(not that there is anything wrong with a few extra pounds) But I agree with you, she's talented and she deserves much success.ho-hum...
I crave cheese with all this whine.
she's quite entertaining live
likes to tell stories to explain her songs and self
likes to tell stories to explain her songs and self
She's gonna be big.
Pretty good!
That part where she says:
The only reason I arrive ...
at the beginning of this song? That's bad singing. There's plenty of other bad singing in the world, but when somebody wants to come off as a good singer, then completely jacks it up trying to add inflection or something (and only succeeds in replicating the sound of fingernails on a chalkboard) then something went horribly wrong with a record contract somewhere and we have another lawyer that needs to hang.
The only reason I arrive ...
at the beginning of this song? That's bad singing. There's plenty of other bad singing in the world, but when somebody wants to come off as a good singer, then completely jacks it up trying to add inflection or something (and only succeeds in replicating the sound of fingernails on a chalkboard) then something went horribly wrong with a record contract somewhere and we have another lawyer that needs to hang.
I like this more every time I hear it.
jagdriver wrote:
Very interesting! I, too, got turned on to JB through Internet radio. Don't know if I'll stop listening to her stuff, but I certainly won't rush out to buy any more of her product so long as she and her producer maintain such a stance.
Oh, and to HELL with the RIAA!
That's kind of where I am, except now every time I hear JB I get steamed up over her producer's a-hole attitude towards her audience. And RIAA can go suck donkey
!
(What can I say; I'm feeling feisty today!)
Very interesting! I, too, got turned on to JB through Internet radio. Don't know if I'll stop listening to her stuff, but I certainly won't rush out to buy any more of her product so long as she and her producer maintain such a stance.
Oh, and to HELL with the RIAA!
That's kind of where I am, except now every time I hear JB I get steamed up over her producer's a-hole attitude towards her audience. And RIAA can go suck donkey
!(What can I say; I'm feeling feisty today!)
LOL, Bill just commented on our "peculiar musings"!!! I love ya Bill!
robco1 wrote:
Very interesting! I, too, got turned on to JB through Internet radio. Don't know if I'll stop listening to her stuff, but I certainly won't rush out to buy any more of her product so long as she and her producer maintain such a stance.
Oh, and to HELL with the RIAA!
Might be that we haven't heard much from Jonatha here due to her attitude towards internet radio; she was outspoken in her support of the recording industry's attempt to rewrite the royalty rules and price internet radio out of existence. I personally wrote her production company and informed them that her actions had cost them a fan. A fan won through internet radio, ironically enough. I got a rather testy response from her producer, too. Haven't listened to her stuff since.
Very interesting! I, too, got turned on to JB through Internet radio. Don't know if I'll stop listening to her stuff, but I certainly won't rush out to buy any more of her product so long as she and her producer maintain such a stance.
Oh, and to HELL with the RIAA!
nagsheadlocal wrote:
Ah, haven't heard much from Jonatha lately, need to dig out her CDs.
Yep, put this on the same playlist with Dar Williams et al.
Might be that we haven't heard much from Jonatha here due to her attitude towards internet radio; she was outspoken in her support of the recording industry's attempt to rewrite the royalty rules and price internet radio out of existence. I personally wrote her production company and informed them that her actions had cost them a fan. A fan won through internet radio, ironically enough. I got a rather testy response from her producer, too. Haven't listened to her stuff since.
Ah, haven't heard much from Jonatha lately, need to dig out her CDs.
Yep, put this on the same playlist with Dar Williams et al.
I usually like the folky female singer/songwriter type stuff on here.
This one is just ... bleh
This one is just ... bleh
Very nice.
exactly.
Tim_in_N_FL wrote:
and even Shawn Colvin (we need more of her stuff on RP, please). Good stuff...Antje D...thanks for the introduction, RP!
Tim_in_N_FL wrote:
and even Shawn Colvin (we need more of her stuff on RP, please). Good stuff...Antje D...thanks for the introduction, RP!
Nice—I'll look for more from her!
Antje played at the very funky and cool Sutter Creek Theater last weekend. It was a wonderful, intimate and intelligent show. Both CD's that I have are excellent....thanks to RP, of course, for turning me on to Antje...she said that she would check out RP after I put in a plug...my wife put one in later. It's great to be able to talk to the star attraction before, during, and after a show
I hope that she comes back soon
I hope that she comes back soon
Danimal174 wrote:
Ah, haven't heard much from Jonatha lately, need to dig out her CDs.
Yep, put this on the same playlist with Dar Williams et al.
Really like this. Sounds a lot like Jonatha Brooke, of whom I am a big fan.
Ah, haven't heard much from Jonatha lately, need to dig out her CDs.
Yep, put this on the same playlist with Dar Williams et al.
Danimal174 wrote:
and even Shawn Colvin (we need more of her stuff on RP, please). Good stuff...Antje D...thanks for the introduction, RP!
Really like this. Sounds a lot like Jonatha Brooke, of whom I am a big fan.
and even Shawn Colvin (we need more of her stuff on RP, please). Good stuff...Antje D...thanks for the introduction, RP!
This is great. Into the research list goes Antje Duvekot.
A new Antje Duvekot?!? Recognized her voice right away. Love her.
Love the lyrics, it's nice to hear an artist that is so intelligent and meaningful these days
Really like this. Sounds a lot like Jonatha Brooke, of whom I am a big fan.
Like this a lot. Fits in with Dar and Ani.
Sweet. Bill scores the early release.